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Subject:    Re: Why are 4.8.80 packages already out in the wild?
From:       Andrea Scarpino <andrea () archlinux ! org>
Date:       2012-06-03 18:34:55
Message-ID: CANcOiu2Pf10d9ux3RLvUGmxmHwKhx64vzcDaQNR3xP2jJbw0ow () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Jun 3, 2012 8:08 PM, "Martin Gr=C3=A4=C3=9Flin" <mgraesslin@kde.org> wro=
te:
>
> Hi all,
>
> this weekend KWin received bug reports against 4.8.80 from distro package=
s
> ([1], [2]). This quite surprised me as beta should not be out before
Monday.
>
> Now I concider this as an issue if users can report bugs for a version we
do
> not yet expect. E.g. in KWin I had not yet created the version
information - I
> wanted to do this on Monday after the release. Because of that bug 301068
had
> been reported incorrectly against 4.8.2 which quite confused me.
>
> For Beta 1 this seems not so much an issue, but for Beta 2 such too early
> releases can waste quite some time. Consider we don't notice and
investigate
> why a bug fix did not work? And even if we notice we have to spend time
asking
> the user to verify which version was actually in use.
>
> So I would like to know, what's the reason why distros ship the packages
too
> early and whether we find it acceptable that distros ship the packages to=
o
> early.
>

Well...In Arch I released the packages some hour before  Tom's thread about
calling off beta1. You guys decided to delay it only, so I kept the
packages in the unstable repo to let our devs test them, but I didn't
announce them.
I guess the "Install KDE 4.9" wiki page on techbase did the rest.

Anyway, if you want to blame someone I guess you should blame users not us.

Cheers

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<p><br>
On Jun 3, 2012 8:08 PM, &quot;Martin Gräßlin&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:mgraesslin@kde.org">mgraesslin@kde.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;<br>
&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; this weekend KWin received bug reports against 4.8.80 from distro packages<br>
&gt; ([1], [2]). This quite surprised me as beta should not be out before Monday.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Now I concider this as an issue if users can report bugs for a version we do<br>
&gt; not yet expect. E.g. in KWin I had not yet created the version information - \
I<br> &gt; wanted to do this on Monday after the release. Because of that bug 301068 \
had<br> &gt; been reported incorrectly against 4.8.2 which quite confused me.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; For Beta 1 this seems not so much an issue, but for Beta 2 such too early<br>
&gt; releases can waste quite some time. Consider we don&#39;t notice and \
investigate<br> &gt; why a bug fix did not work? And even if we notice we have to \
spend time asking<br> &gt; the user to verify which version was actually in use.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; So I would like to know, what&#39;s the reason why distros ship the packages \
too<br> &gt; early and whether we find it acceptable that distros ship the packages \
too<br> &gt; early.<br>
&gt;</p>
<p>Well...In Arch I released the packages some hour before   Tom&#39;s thread about \
calling off beta1. You guys decided to delay it only, so I kept the packages in the \
unstable repo to let our devs test them, but I didn&#39;t announce them.<br>

I guess the &quot;Install KDE 4.9&quot; wiki page on techbase did the rest.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you want to blame someone I guess you should blame users not us.</p>
<p>Cheers </p>



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