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List:       kde-release-team
Subject:    Re: Fwd: Requesting freeze exception for JtG
From:       Pau Garcia i Quiles <pgquiles () elpauer ! org>
Date:       2011-11-25 8:42:14
Message-ID: CAKcBoksbBsgeQgTCedJsAHzxHd-3iMVVxHc75zQtXB-jeLi8MA () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Thomas Zander <zander@kde.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 November 2011 18.25.23 Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Thomas Zander <zander@kde.org> wrote:
>> > I too think that a much less invasive patch has to be the first step to
>> > getting something accepted.
>>
>> As I said in k-c-d, the patch is deliberately invasive. It's no accident.
>
> The invasive nature makes the patch a high risk to integrate into a stable
> branch. =A0It would be more appropriate for the frameworks, not so much f=
or the
> frozen kdelibs.
>
> I think everyone understands your goal, and why you made it deliberately
> invasive. =A0But the first priority has to go to the stability of kde app=
s. =A0And
> when I last hacked the menu-merging code, I was surprised of its complexi=
ty
> and how easy it is to break one of the millions of apps using this code.
> So, your intention to be extra invasive means the patch is too high risk =
for
> kdelibs.
>
> As 2 other people also have suggested, I think you should =A0try to get y=
our
> patch into frameworks, not kdelibs. =A0And try a much simpler approach (j=
ust
> some text added and maybe a new tab) for kdelibs.
>
> Hope that clarifies my previous mail :)

From my first e-mail:

--8<---
Why is it important that we get this in now?
- Because 4.8 is probably the last release before 5.0
- Given our history with 4.0, I wouldn't be surprised if users and
distributions avoid 5.0 as the default, or even altogether
- This means either the Join the Game propaganda goes in for 4.8, or
it will not arrive to our users before 18-24 months (~12 months till
5.0 + 6 months for 5.1 + distributions delay + ...). No matter how
optimistic we are about releasing 5.0 soon, history shows there are
always delays.
- We cannot wait 18 months
--8<---

Also, making the patch non-invasive means the visibility of Join the
Game plummets.

I'm quite disappointed people have spent more time answering e-mails
than testing the code.

-- =

Pau Garcia i Quiles
http://www.elpauer.org
(Due to my workload, I may need 10 days to answer)
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