From kde-release-team  Tue Jun 29 19:52:00 2010
From: "Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop () exherbo ! org>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:52:00 +0000
To: kde-release-team
Subject: Observations and personal conclusions on the KDE release process
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Hello!

Please don't take any of the following personally - it's not meant to offen=
d=20
anyone.=20

Having been a KDE packager for several years now, I've looked at the releas=
es=20
of KDE since 4.0.0. I "felt" that the overall KDE release quality has becom=
e=20
noticeably worse than it was during the 3.x days (during which I was most=20
active).

I've wanted to compare this feeling to reality, though, and so I consulted =
my=20
(incomplete) -packager archive. I wanted to look at release issues, tarball=
=20
re-rolls, etc. for KDE4.

Since I didn't want dig through everything and avoid a "data overload" for=
=20
both me and in this mail, I applied the following restrictions:

=2D Ignore alpha, beta, rc and snapshot releases (I looked at them at times=
,=20
though, to verify findings in regular releases and, in general, they suppor=
ted=20
my views.)
=2D Ignore non-Linux failures, e. g. if things broke for *BSD or Windows, I=
=20
didn't count those in.
=2D Ignore the KDEPIM situation with respect to KDE SC 4.5.
=2D I don't have detailed data from the 3.x days anymore. Whenever I'm refe=
rring=20
to those, I'm relying on a) bugtracker data from the distros I've worked on=
=20
and b) my memory. :-)
=2D I'm missing data about the releases from 4.1.0 to 4.1.3.
=2D I didn't re-read every single mail (but mostly those from the tarball=20
announcement threads) so I might have missed some issues.
=2D The following conclusions are my own; they are my personal opinions eve=
n if=20
not stated explicitly or implicitly in every single case. YMMV.

What I observed is this (details at the end):

=2D Uploaded tarballs are almost always untested. From a QA perspective thi=
s is=20
really bad. Yes, we're packagers and we'll find and report any issues found=
 in=20
those tarballs to you guys. Nevertheless, build issues - in many cases - co=
uld =20
easily be spotted if a simple build test had been done.
Most of the time, packager feedback was promptly acted upon and the issues=
=20
were resolved with the final tarballs. Sometimes, though, reported issues a=
re=20
not followed-up and make it through till the release is out.

=2D On average ca. 2,5 tarballs are re-rolled per release. That means that =
those=20
who start the packaging process early will have to start over with the=20
respective tarballs. Yes, not all work has to be re-done but again, from a =
QA=20
perspective, one should start as cleanly as possible.
=46urthermore, having to re-roll that often, more often than in 3.x days, I=
MHO,=20
are an indicator for a rushed and/or flawed release engineering process.

=2D Another (side-)issue I noticed is the increased number of post-release=
=20
bugfixes (compared to KDE3 again) we, as packagers, are asked to apply. Thi=
s=20
in itself is very useful and helpful for us, no doubt, but, again, I believ=
e=20
this indicates release engineering issues.

=2D In several cases, there were more or less trivial (and yet important)=20
reasons for re-rolling tarballs, e. g. wrong version indicators in the=20
sources.=20
A similar issue are the conflicts between oxygen-icons and other KDE=20
components. I wonder if those issues couldn't be tested for automatically t=
o=20
avoid such pitfalls.

=2D In at least 6 (~30%) of all releases kdebindings were at least partly b=
roken=20
(quite a few more if I had counted pre-releases, too). This can have lots o=
f=20
reasons and I've not analysed them. It's just an observation.

Now, what would I suggest to do about these issues? I'll keep the next part=
=20
short - the reasoning can be found above.

=2D Before announcing the tarballs, build the whole thing once.
=2D Freeze earlier and use the time to do more (systematic!) developer test=
ing.
=2D Improve the test cases. They *do* help in catching bugs.
=2D Implement more trivial code screening (e. g. for bogus versions).
=2D Re-think the release engineering process. (No actual, hard suggestions=
=20
here.)

Again: Don't be offended, please. My only intention is to hopefully help=20
improving the quality KDE (yes, yes, I know KDE is people! ;) ) releases.=20


Last and least, my notes of observations my above comments are based upon.

Best regards, Wulf


4.0.0=20
=2D kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace missing, then cmake checks broken=
, re-
rolled
=2D kdeedu re-rolled (non-free icon, kstars has wrong version)
=2D kdebase-runtime re-rolled (xine-lib check is bogus)

4.0.1
=2D kdebase re-rolled
=2D kdebase-workspace re-rolled

4.0.2
=2D kdebase re-rolled (kinfocenter modules moved incompletely)
=2D kdebindings re-rolled

4.0.3
Mostly ok.

4.0.4
=2D kdelibs re-rolled (version number was still 4.0.3)

4.0.5
=2D kdebase re-rolled ("crash really often")
=2D kdebindings re-rolled (compatibility with SIP 4.7.6)

4.1.4
=2D kdelibs re-rolled (almost no content before)
=2D kdebase re-rolled (Copy&Paste files within Dolphin borken)
=2D kdebindings re-rolled (left-over svn stuff)

4.2.0
=2D kdelibs re-rolled three times (klockfile fix; kate fix; plasma security)
=2D kde-l10n-et broken (parser error : Entity 'turtlelang' not defined)
=2D kdebase-runtime (licensing issue)

4.2.1
=2D kdelibs re-rolled
=2D kdebase-workspace re-rolled=20
=2D Phonon mess (Qt / stand-alone Phonon) began

4.2.2
=2D kdelibs re-rolled twice
=2D kdebase-runtime and oxygen-icons conflict

4.2.3
=2D kdenetwork re-rolled (kopete was broken)
=2D kdepim re-rolled (important regressions)
=2D kdepimlibs re-rolled (important regressions)

4.2.4
=2D kdelibs re-rolled=20
=2D kdenetwork re-rolled
=2D kdepim re-rolled (kaddressbook fails to compile)

4.3.0
=2D kdelibs re-rolled=20
=2D kdebase re-rolled=20
=2D kdebase-runtime re-rolled (nepomuk fix)
=2D kdebase-workspace re-rolled three times (wrong version; NM 0.6=20
compatibility; kdm theming)
=2D kdeadmin re-rolled=20
=2D kdeedu and oxygen-icons conflict
=2D kdeedu re-rolled (compile issues)
=2D kdebindings-workspace re-rolled  twice
=2D kdebindings re-rolled=20
=2D kdepim-runtime re-rolled (compile issues)
=2D kdeplasma-addons re-rolled (microblogging applet fixes)

4.3.1
=2D kdebase-workspace re-rolled (wrong version)
=2D kde-l10n-pl re-rolled  (compile issue: "Entity 'kcontrolcenter' not=20
defined")

4.3.2
=2D oxygen-icons and kdepim conflict. kdepim re-rolled.

4.3.3, 4.3.4, 4.3.5: One tarball re-rolled for each.

4.4.0
=2D Late Virtuoso dependency change.
=2D kdelibs re-rolled twice.
=2D kdebindings re-rolled (pykde doesn't compile)
=2D kdebase re-rolled=20
=2D kdebase-workspace re-rolled=20
=2D kdebase-runtime re-rolled twice.

4.4.1
=2D kdepim re-rolled
=2D kdepimlibs re-rolled

4.4.2
=2D kdebindings re-rolled
=2D kde-l10n-sv re-rolled (parser error : Entity 'turtlelang' not defined, =
cf.=20
4.2.0)

4.4.3
=2D kdelibs re-rolled.
=2D kde-l10n-nl re-rolled ('file INSTALL cannot find=20
"/usr/src/packages/BUILD/kde-l10n-
nl-4.4.3/docs/kdelibs/preparetips/preparetips.1"')

4.4.4
=2D kde-l10n-sr re-rolled.

4.4.5
=2D All of kde-l10n not timely in-place.

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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Having been a KDE packager for several years now, I've looked at the releases </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">of KDE since 4.0.0. I &quot;felt&quot; that the overall KDE release quality has become </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">noticeably worse than it was during the 3.x days (during which I was most </span></p>
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<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">I've wanted to compare this feeling to reality, though, and so I consulted my </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">(incomplete) -packager archive. I wanted to look at release issues, tarball </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">re-rolls, etc. for KDE4.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Since I didn't want dig through everything and avoid a &quot;data overload&quot; for </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">both me and in this mail, I applied the following restrictions:</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Ignore alpha, beta, rc and snapshot releases (I looked at them at times, </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">though, to verify findings in regular releases and, in general, they supported </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">my views.)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Ignore non-Linux failures, e. g. if things broke for *BSD or Windows, I </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">didn't count those in.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Ignore the KDEPIM situation with respect to KDE SC 4.5.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- I don't have detailed data from the 3.x days anymore. Whenever I'm referring </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">to those, I'm relying on a) bugtracker data from the distros I've worked on </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">and b) my memory. :-)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- I'm missing data about the releases from 4.1.0 to 4.1.3.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- I didn't re-read every single mail (but mostly those from the tarball </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">announcement threads) so I might have missed some issues.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- The following conclusions are my own; they are my personal opinions even if </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">not stated explicitly or implicitly in every single case. YMMV.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">What I observed is this (details at the end):</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Uploaded tarballs are almost always untested. From a QA perspective this is </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">really bad. Yes, we're packagers and we'll find and report any issues found in </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">those tarballs to you guys. Nevertheless, build issues - in many cases - could  </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">easily be spotted if a simple build test had been done.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Most of the time, packager feedback was promptly acted upon and the issues </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">were resolved with the final tarballs. Sometimes, though, reported issues are </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">not followed-up and make it through till the release is out.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- On average ca. 2,5 tarballs are re-rolled per release. That means that those </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">who start the packaging process early will have to start over with the </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">respective tarballs. Yes, not all work has to be re-done but again, from a QA </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">perspective, one should start as cleanly as possible.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Furthermore, having to re-roll that often, more often than in 3.x days, IMHO, </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">are an indicator for a rushed and/or flawed release engineering process.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Another (side-)issue I noticed is the increased number of post-release </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">bugfixes (compared to KDE3 again) we, as packagers, are asked to apply. This in itself is very useful and helpful for us, no doubt, but, again, I believe this indicates release engineering issues.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- In several cases, there were more or less trivial (and yet important) </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">reasons for re-rolling tarballs, e. g. wrong version indicators in the </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">sources. </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">A similar issue are the conflicts between oxygen-icons and other KDE </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">components. I wonder if those issues couldn't be tested for automatically to </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">avoid such pitfalls.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- In at least 6 (~30%) of all releases kdebindings were at least partly broken </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">(quite a few more if I had counted pre-releases, too). This can have lots of reasons and I've not analysed them. It's just an observation.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Now, what would I suggest to do about these issues? I'll keep the next part </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">short - the reasoning can be found above.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Before announcing the tarballs, build the whole thing once.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Freeze earlier and use the time to do more (systematic!) developer testing.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Improve the test cases. They *do* help in catching bugs.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Implement more trivial code screening (e. g. for bogus versions).</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Re-think the release engineering process. (No actual, hard suggestions </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">here.)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Again: Don't be offended, please. My only intention is to hopefully help </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">improving the quality KDE (yes, yes, I know KDE is people! ;) ) releases. </span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Last and least, my notes of observations my above comments are based upon.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Best regards, Wulf</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.0 </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime and kdebase-workspace missing, then cmake checks broken, re-</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdeedu re-rolled (non-free icon, kstars has wrong version)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime re-rolled (xine-lib check is bogus)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.1</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-workspace re-rolled</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.2</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled (kinfocenter modules moved incompletely)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.3</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">Mostly ok.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.4</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled (version number was still 4.0.3)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.0.5</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled (&quot;crash really often&quot;)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled (compatibility with SIP 4.7.6)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.1.4</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled (almost no content before)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled (Copy&amp;Paste files within Dolphin borken)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled (left-over svn stuff)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.0</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled three times (klockfile fix; kate fix; plasma security)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kde-l10n-et broken (parser error : Entity 'turtlelang' not defined)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime (licensing issue)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.1</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-workspace re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Phonon mess (Qt / stand-alone Phonon) began</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.2</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled twice</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime and oxygen-icons conflict</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.3</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdenetwork re-rolled (kopete was broken)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepim re-rolled (important regressions)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepimlibs re-rolled (important regressions)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.4</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdenetwork re-rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepim re-rolled (kaddressbook fails to compile)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.3.0</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime re-rolled (nepomuk fix)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-workspace re-rolled three times (wrong version; NM 0.6 </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">compatibility; kdm theming)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdeadmin re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdeedu and oxygen-icons conflict</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdeedu re-rolled (compile issues)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings-workspace re-rolled  twice</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepim-runtime re-rolled (compile issues)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdeplasma-addons re-rolled (microblogging applet fixes)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.3.1</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-workspace re-rolled (wrong version)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kde-l10n-pl re-rolled  (compile issue: &quot;Entity 'kcontrolcenter' not defined&quot;)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.3.2</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- oxygen-icons and kdepim conflict. kdepim re-rolled.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.3.3, 4.3.4, 4.3.5: One tarball re-rolled for each.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.0</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- Late Virtuoso dependency change.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled twice.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled (pykde doesn't compile)</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-workspace re-rolled </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebase-runtime re-rolled twice.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.1</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepim re-rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdepimlibs re-rolled</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.2</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdebindings re-rolled</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kde-l10n-sv re-rolled (parser error : Entity 'turtlelang' not defined, cf. </span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.2.0)</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.3</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kdelibs re-rolled.</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kde-l10n-nl re-rolled ('file INSTALL cannot find &quot;/usr/src/packages/BUILD/kde-l10n-nl-4.4.3/docs/kdelibs/preparetips/preparetips.1&quot;')</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.4</span></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">- kde-l10n-sr re-rolled.</span></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;"></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-family:'andale mono'; font-size:18pt; color:#000000;">4.4.5</span></p>
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