From kde-release-team Thu Nov 13 22:45:24 2008 From: "George Goldberg" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:45:24 +0000 To: kde-release-team Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Dezibel-=E1=B8=B0DE?= Message-Id: <1aa4e8880811131445t6236730bn917f3327996bdc74 () mail ! gmail ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-release-team&m=122661638423878 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Allen Winter wrote: > On Thursday 13 November 2008 11:38:23 am Torsten Rahn wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > Are there KDE apps that will use Decibel in KDE 4.2? >> > We only have a few days before the hard freeze so I don't know that >> > any apps will have the time to use Decibel-kde even if it were in >> > kdenetwork already. >> >> The motivation to include decibel-kde now is this: >> >> With the inclusion of Decibel into KDE 4.2 we want to enable and support >> implementation of new IM clients as well as porting of existing ones to >> Decibel. Kopete has already chosen Decibel/Telepathy as the way to go and we >> want to make sure they can start with parts that are fully part of KDE. >> In addition to Kopete there is a spanish group of university colleagues around >> aleixpol, which is applying to do a new IM application from scratch using >> Decibel and fully integrating it to KDE under a free sofware contest that's >> happening in spain. >> >> In addition we see activity around a telepathy/qt4 layer and mission >> control, Gnome is still strong with regard to this topic. We want to make sure >> we have a visible Decibel implementation, because otherwise further telepathy >> will likely not consider any KDE interests. >> >> It's important to provide and ship the Decibel-KDE libs support soon. You >> can't always assume that people will always use trunk to develop with. >> I'd claim that most people who develop against KDE 4 these days try to develop >> against the stable version of KDE unless there is a really important API >> enhancement in trunk that they need to depend on (and that they need to be >> aware of to use it). This is especially true for applications which are more >> "specialized" on a topic that doesn't focus on the interaction with the >> desktop environment itself. >> Shipping the Decibel-KDE libs with KDE 4.2 now would mean that people have a >> stable release of a tiny library that comes with their distribution and has >> got a stable release. >> >> Just to address possible concerns with regard to compatibility and stability >> of the interfaces: >> >> The core of decibel is supposed to stay stable, we rather will see >> extensions than changes. >> The Telepathy/Tapioca part will be changed for KDE 4.3 and will be ported >> to the upcoming Telepathy/Qt4 bindings. We were hoping the layer would be >> ready to port to earlier, but it still will take more time. However, APIs >> are not fundamentally different, so we expect porting changes acceptable. >> Most changes will arise from Qt 4.5's DBUS to be asynchronous in contrast >> to Qt 4.4. >> >> > Which apps are using/want to use Decibel? >> >> Except for Kopete and other IM messaging clients there are possible other >> applications which could use Decibel: >> >> * Marble: Plugin for viewing Presence-Information >> * Plasmoid for Presence-Information >> * collaborative Editing using Telepathy-Tubes. Decibel is the central place to >> start up applications for incoming channels >> * starting/controlling IM from other apps such as addressbook etc. >> >> Again I'd like to stress that rather providing a stable library as soon as >> possible that people can develop against is very important. >> Can you please clarify exactly which subdirectories/parts of the playground/network/decibel-kde svn directory you would like to include in KDE 4.2. George Goldberg _______________________________________________ release-team mailing list release-team@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team