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Date: 2008-12-11 19:49:32
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Today's Topics:
1. amarok 2.0 is released! (Neal Becker)
2. Re: amarok 2.0 is released! (Rex Dieter)
3. Re: amarok 2.0 is released! (Thomas Moschny)
4. Re: amarok 2.0 is released! (Rex Dieter)
5. new fedora-kde list (Rex Dieter)
6. new fedora-kde list (Rex Dieter)
7. Re: new fedora-kde list (Mark Bidewell)
8. Re: new fedora-kde list (Rex Dieter)
9. Re: new fedora-kde list (Eli Wapniarski)
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From: Neal Becker <ndbecker2@gmail.com>
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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] amarok 2.0 is released!
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Subject says it all.
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From: Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu>
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Neal Becker wrote:
> Subject says it all.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/amarok-2.0-2.fc10
Karma, feedback welcome (of course).
-- Rex
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] amarok 2.0 is released!
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2008/12/11 Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu>:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/amarok-2.0-2.fc10
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> Karma, feedback welcome (of course).
This prints alot of debug stuff on the console, is that intended?
- Thomas
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Thomas Moschny wrote:
> 2008/12/11 Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu>:
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/amarok-2.0-2.fc10
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>> Karma, feedback welcome (of course).
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> This prints alot of debug stuff on the console, is that intended?
Yes/no.
Yes, it (and many/most other kde4 apps) do spew copious debugging still.
No, it would be nice to fix/reduce that, work is slow and ongoing to
improve.
-- Rex
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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] new fedora-kde list
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Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.
-- Rex
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Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.
-- Rex
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Will existing subscribers be migrated?
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
> well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
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> I'd like in the not-too-distant future, retire kde-redhat-* lists in
> favor of that one. Let's set a tentative kill date of Feb 1, 2009.
>
> -- Rex
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Mark Bidewell wrote:
> Will existing subscribers be migrated?
I considerred, but leaned toward no.
I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?
-- Rex
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> Alrighty, finally got off my arse to get a more official list made, as
>> well as moving away from relying on sourceforge. Ta da,
>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kde
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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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On Thursday, 11 בDecember 2008 20:55:26 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mark Bidewell wrote:
> > Will existing subscribers be migrated?
>
> I considerred, but leaned toward no.
>
> I *could* though, folks, what say you? aye or nay?
>
From a purely practical stand point point if us subscribers could be
transferred, then I think that would be OK.
>From a political stand point. I think it would be better for us to be able to
have our discusssions in, and I stress this, "relative privacy" outside of
Fedora mainstream. For me personally, I've seen some disturbing trends
regarding releases and core backends.
Fedora 9 and Beta xorg. Fedora 10 and release candidate for rpm. Repository
glitches with KDE release 4.1.2, and most recently PackageKit
These are examples of IMHO show a severe lapse in professinoalism due to lack
of consideration for users that rely on the Fedora to get things done, not
just report bugs and provide development feedback for Redhat. These examples
that are really making me reconsider my association with Fedora / Redhat. I
was thinking of moving my stuff over to Centos 6 when it comes out, but then
again, if the basis of that software is Redhat which is based on Fedora, then
I really need to consider the direction development, releases and release
schedules are taking. The pressure that is placed on the packagers and
developers. And the toll that this is taking on them and the time that this is
taking from me.
I really think we should have a space to grumble like this outside of Fedora.
Thanks for your consideration.
Eli
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