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Today's Topics:
1. Re: CentOS 5.1 and KDE 4.0.2 (George Galt)
2. Impressions of 4.1beta1 from rawhide (Ravi)
3. Impressions of 4.1beta1 from rawhide (Ravi)
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] CentOS 5.1 and KDE 4.0.2
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:28 PM, George Galt <george.galt@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM, George Galt <george.galt@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote:
>>> George Galt wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, I've succeeded in putting KDE 4.0.4 and Qt 4.4 on a reasonably
>>>> stock CentOS 5.1 system. I just got it put together yesterday, so I
>>>> haven't played too much with it, but it seems stable and complete.
>>>> What can I do to help you put together packages (if you change your
>>>> mind and don't want to wait for KDE 4.1)? I'm happy to provide a list
>>>> of dependencies that had to be pulled in and compiled or anything else
>>>> you might need. Let me know.
>>>
>>> Awesome.
>>>
>>> Yes, starting with the list of dependencies would be a good start, as well
>>> as any gotchas you encountered.
>>>
>>> -- Rex
>>>
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>>
>> Rex:
>>
>> I'll get my notes together tonight and see if I can't post something.
>> It was reasonably straight forward, so this shouldn't be too
>> difficult.
>>
>> George
>>
>
> Rex:
>
> I worked off of this page for the most part:
> http://www.go2linux.org/forums/installing-kde-4-on-centos-t-7.html,
> but I ignored the first poster's instruction as he had little success.
> Instead, I used the instructions provided by the second poster
> ("newuser" ). I initially downloaded and compiled a new kernel, but I
> didn't install it figuring I would try with the latest CentOS kernel
> (2.6.18-53.1.21.el5 is what I'm running). I set up a user and
> environment to build kde as described here:
> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4, in
> particular, the .bashrc modification listed here:
> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc.
> I made a few of the changes suggested by "newuser" in the go2linux
> forum post (above).
>
> Next, I compiled and installed Qt4.4 from Trolltech per their
> instructions. Nothing unusual here.
>
> I then installed the suggested rpms via yum: yum install
> clucene-core-devel libxml-devel libxslt-devel \
> dbus-devel boost-devel bzip2-devel openssl-devel alsa-lib-devel \
> redland-devel rasqal-devel raptor-devel hspell-devel aspell-devel \
> cups-devel xine-lib-devel avahi-devel gamin-devel OpenEXR-devel \
> enchant-devel jasper-devel ilmbase-devel pcre-devel gpgme-devel \
> libxklavier-devel glib-devel libusb-devel libsmbclient-devel \
> libxcb-devel NetworkManager-devel lm_sensors-devel libraw1394-devel \
> bluez-libs-devel gcc-c++ libXext-devel cmake subversion giflib-devel \
> libpng-devel libXdamage-devel libXcomposite-devel libXrender-devel \
> fontconfig-devel libXft-devel libXcursor-devel libXfixes-devel \
> ruby-devel libXScrnSaver-devel libkdcraw-devel exiv2-devel \
> lcms-devel libtiff-devel sqlite-devel libxkbfile-devel \
> imlib2-devel patch gstreamer-plugins-base-devel
>
> Next, I installed clucene from Sourceforge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/clucene/ (FYI, the above yum command
> included clucene, but it isn't available).
> Then Strigi from Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/strigi/
> Finally qimageblitz from Sourceforge:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/qimageblitz/
>
> Then, I downloaded kdelibs, kdepimlibs and kdebase from the 4.0.4
> branches subversion server (FYI, strigi and qimageblitz also appear to
> be available in kdesupport, which I did not build)
> svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdelibs
> svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdepimlibs
> svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdebase
>
> compiled and installed in user land (not as root). It seems to work
> well, though I'm missing several menu items (the most painful being
> for System Settings, but I can simply run it from the command line,
> I'll look into rebuilding the menus later).
>
> I'll try reinstalling as root, though it doesn't seem to be necessary
> at this stage.
>
> So far, no real issues, though I haven't really pushed the system
> much. I'll play with it for a few days and let you know if anything
> unusual comes up.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> George
>
Rex:
Sorry to reply to myself, but this is just to let you know that I
finished installing the rest of KDE 4.0.4 today. The files installed
were:
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdeutils
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdenetwork
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdeadmin
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdeartwork
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdebindings
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdeedu
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdegames
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdegraphics
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdemultimedia
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdetoys
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdewebdev
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdesdk
svn checkout svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/4.0/kdeaccessibility
The only hitch was that kdebindings had to be installed as root
because it wanted to write some files to the directory where python is
located (I believe /usr/lib/python2.4). There were several modules
that stated that some functionality was not being installed due to
missing files (things like libraries to handle a wider range of
archive files), but nothing that prohibited a successful compile and
install. If you want me to go back and try to recreate what optional
files were missed, I can do that -- sorry I didn't catch it the first
time around.
George
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Hi,
I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64. The command I needed to install the packages
is:
yum install 'kde*' soprano --enablerepo=rawhide
Even though the new nepomuk requires the new soprano from rawhide,
it is not pulled in automatically; this indicates a missing
'Requires:' in some spec file.
Plasma seems to have had a few regressions:
1. The list of plasmoids in the 'Add widgets' dialog does not
include 'Icon' even though I am using extragear-plasma-4.0.80-2
whose changelog indicates that the icon scriptlet was included. I
am working around it by manually modifying plasma-appletsrc.
2. Adding the system tray to the panel causes Plasma to crash on
exit (even with nothing in the system tray). This is a big problem
since it makes klipper useless.
3. Icon spacing on the panel is messed up; it icons have too much
space around them (compared to 4.0.x).
4. Moving plasmoids on the panel does not seem to be supported
though I vaguely recall Kevin saying that such a patch is included
in the F9 build; perhaps it was only for 4.0.x?
The good is that the comic book plasmoid is functional once
again, plasmoids can be resized more flexibly, the digital clock
finally shows the date without layout issues and that compositing
using Xrender is much improved; OpenGL is not an option for due to
lack of driver support (ATI/AMD R482 with open source radeon
drivers).
KWin also seems to have a few regressions:
1. I don't recall whether 4.0.x had an option to set the number of
virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. Again, I am working around
it by manually modifying kwinrc.
2. Any new keybindings (Win+Down for next desktop down) does not
seem to take effect. Upon restart, the keybindings revert to the
original ones and all customization is lost.
3. I could not get self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work
properly with KWin. If compositing is turned off, X takes 100% of
the CPU when emacs is started. With compositing on, the emacs
window can be shown only with 50% opacity or lower. With higher
opacity (even 100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak)
exists and its outline can be seen in the pager, but cannot be
seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. by
blindly hovering and/or clicked at the right spots. This problem
does not occur with other GTK applications.
The new Kontact is nice. I have been using it heavily with
disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even
better than 3.5.x in terms of speed. The only regression I can
notice is that it does not seem to fetch the passwords from KWallet
when sending messages, but for receiving messages, it works fine. I
have not looked at the rest of the PIM applications.
If dolphin or dolphinpart seems to crash on start, please ensure
that you have the latest version of soprano installed.
Regards,
Ravi
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. Again, I \
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margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">it by \
manually modifying kwinrc.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
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-qt-user-state:0;">2. Any new keybindings (Win+Down for next desktop down) does not \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">seem to take effect. Upon \
restart, the keybindings revert to the </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">original ones and all customization is lost.</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. I could not get \
self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">properly with KWin. If compositing is turned off, \
X takes 100% of </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">the CPU \
when emacs is started. With compositing on, the emacs </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">window can be shown only with 50% opacity or \
lower. With higher </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">opacity (even 100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak) \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">exists and its outline can be \
seen in the pager, but cannot be </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. by </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">blindly hovering and/or \
clicked at the right spots. This problem </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">does not occur with other GTK applications.</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> The new Kontact is nice. I \
have been using it heavily with </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">better than 3.5.x in terms of \
speed. The only regression I can </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">notice is that it does not seem to fetch the passwords from \
KWallet </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">when \
sending messages, but for receiving messages, it works fine. I </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">have not looked at the rest \
of the PIM applications.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"> If dolphin or dolphinpart seems to crash on start, please ensure \
</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">that you have the latest \
version of soprano installed.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Ravi</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
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Hi,
I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the
packages are at least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable
Fedora 9 on x86_64. The command I needed to install the packages
is:
yum install 'kde*' soprano --enablerepo=rawhide
Even though the new nepomuk requires the new soprano from rawhide,
it is not pulled in automatically; this indicates a missing
'Requires:' in some spec file.
Plasma seems to have had a few regressions:
1. The list of plasmoids in the 'Add widgets' dialog does not
include 'Icon' even though I am using extragear-plasma-4.0.80-2
whose changelog indicates that the icon scriptlet was included. I
am working around it by manually modifying plasma-appletsrc.
2. Adding the system tray to the panel causes Plasma to crash on
exit (even with nothing in the system tray). This is a big problem
since it makes klipper useless.
3. Icon spacing on the panel is messed up; it icons have too much
space around them (compared to 4.0.x).
4. Moving plasmoids on the panel does not seem to be supported
though I vaguely recall Kevin saying that such a patch is included
in the F9 build; perhaps it was only for 4.0.x?
The good is that the comic book plasmoid is functional once
again, plasmoids can be resized more flexibly, the digital clock
finally shows the date without layout issues and that compositing
using Xrender is much improved; OpenGL is not an option for due to
lack of driver support (ATI/AMD R482 with open source radeon
drivers).
KWin also seems to have a few regressions:
1. I don't recall whether 4.0.x had an option to set the number of
virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. Again, I am working around
it by manually modifying kwinrc.
2. Any new keybindings (Win+Down for next desktop down) does not
seem to take effect. Upon restart, the keybindings revert to the
original ones and all customization is lost.
3. I could not get self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work
properly with KWin. If compositing is turned off, X takes 100% of
the CPU when emacs is started. With compositing on, the emacs
window can be shown only with 50% opacity or lower. With higher
opacity (even 100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak)
exists and its outline can be seen in the pager, but cannot be
seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. by
blindly hovering and/or clicked at the right spots. This problem
does not occur with other GTK applications.
The new Kontact is nice. I have been using it heavily with
disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even
better than 3.5.x in terms of speed. The only regression I can
notice is that it does not seem to fetch the passwords from KWallet
when sending messages, but for receiving messages, it works fine. I
have not looked at the rest of the PIM applications.
If dolphin or dolphinpart seems to crash on start, please ensure
that you have the latest version of soprano installed.
Regards,
Ravi
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font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"> I have been running the 4.1 beta1 packages from rawhide for the \
last 2 days and am generally very happy with it. For my use, the packages are at \
least as good as the 4.0.x packages from stable Fedora 9 on x86_64. The command I \
needed to install the packages is:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"> yum install 'kde*' soprano --enablerepo=rawhide</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Even though the new nepomuk \
requires the new soprano from rawhide, it is not pulled in automatically; this \
indicates a missing 'Requires:' in some spec file.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Plasma seems to have had a few regressions:</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. The list of plasmoids in \
the 'Add widgets' dialog does not include 'Icon' even though I am using \
extragear-plasma-4.0.80-2 whose changelog indicates that the icon scriptlet was \
included. I am working around it by manually modifying plasma-appletsrc.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Adding the system tray to \
the panel causes Plasma to crash on exit (even with nothing in the system tray). This \
is a big problem since it makes klipper useless.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. Icon spacing on the panel is messed up; it \
icons have too much space around them (compared to 4.0.x).</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">4. Moving plasmoids on the \
panel does not seem to be supported though I vaguely recall Kevin saying that such a \
patch is included in the F9 build; perhaps it was only for 4.0.x?</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> The good is that the comic \
book plasmoid is functional once again, plasmoids can be resized more flexibly, the \
digital clock finally shows the date without layout issues and that compositing using \
Xrender is much improved; OpenGL is not an option for due to lack of driver support \
(ATI/AMD R482 with open source radeon drivers).</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> KWin also seems to have a few regressions:</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. I don't recall whether \
4.0.x had an option to set the number of virtual desktops, but 4.1beta1 does not. \
Again, I am working around it by manually modifying kwinrc.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Any new keybindings \
(Win+Down for next desktop down) does not seem to take effect. Upon restart, the \
keybindings revert to the original ones and all customization is lost.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. I could not get \
self-compiled emacs-cvs (with Xft) to work properly with KWin. If compositing is \
turned off, X takes 100% of the CPU when emacs is started. With compositing on, the \
emacs window can be shown only with 50% opacity or lower. With higher opacity (even \
100%), the emacs window ('frame' in emacs-speak) exists and its outline can be seen \
in the pager, but cannot be seen; however, I do see tooltips, right click menus, etc. \
by blindly hovering and/or clicked at the right spots. This problem does not occur \
with other GTK applications.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"> The new Kontact is nice. I have been using it heavily with \
disconnected IMAP and it has been working very well, actually even better than 3.5.x \
in terms of speed. The only regression I can notice is that it does not seem to fetch \
the passwords from KWallet when sending messages, but for receiving messages, it \
works fine. I have not looked at the rest of the PIM applications.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> If dolphin or dolphinpart \
seems to crash on start, please ensure that you have the latest version of soprano \
installed.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Ravi</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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