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Date:       2008-03-19 19:12:57
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: kipi and libkdcraw updates for development (Jos? Matos)
   2. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Eli Wapniarski)
   3. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Rex Dieter)
   4. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Colin J Thomson)
   5. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Eli Wapniarski)
   6. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Jos? Matos)
   7. Re: KDE 4.0.2 (Rex Dieter)

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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] kipi and libkdcraw updates for development
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On Tuesday 18 March 2008 18:55:51 Rex Dieter wrote:
> long story: new versions that break api/abi.   Bad, mm-kay? :)

  No problem. :-)
  I saw your message in fedora-devel (test?) about this issue and I thought 
that you were using the unstable repo as a testbed for the new libraries. So 
those results seemed natural.

  Since no packages were installed life goes on. :-)

> -- Rex

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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] KDE 4.0.2
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Hi Rex

I tried 4.0.2 and unfortunately I had to immediately downgrade back to 3.5.9. 
Sorry about that. I really do appreciate the work you and the team is putting 
into this.

While I did notice some improvements compared to 4.0 They were not sufficient 
for me to stick with it.

Problems include the panel included with Plasmaa and the icons on the desktop 
confined to only one desktop of my dual screen. The ability to resize the 
panel points to the eventual realization of the obvious potential of kde4.

The other problem that I encountered immediately is that Konqueror is getting 
slower and slower when it comes to dealing with Java script and it seems not 
to be able to handle flash plugins at all. This of course is on an x86_64 
platform that relies on nspluginviewer for flash.

Anyway. I guess I really will have to wait for 4.1

I'm trully sorry that I cannot be genuinely helpful in the process.

Eli

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:08:54 -0500
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:

> Problems include the panel included with Plasmaa and the icons on the desktop 
> confined to only one desktop of my dual screen. The ability to resize the 
> panel points to the eventual realization of the obvious potential of kde4.

Odd(?), I can resize my panel now just fine. Just tried, was pleasantly 
surprised, must've been a feature added only recently.  Wee! :)

multi-screen setups are still broken in places, due mostly to X/driver 
bugs (read up on aseigo's blog recently for the gory details).

> The other problem that I encountered immediately is that Konqueror is getting 
> slower and slower when it comes to dealing with Java script and it seems not 
> to be able to handle flash plugins at all. This of course is on an x86_64 
> platform that relies on nspluginviewer for flash.

True, konq/x86_64 + nspluginviewer still = boom I think.

lappy upgrading atm, I'll confirm that in a bit.

-- Rex



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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] KDE 4.0.2
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On Tuesday 18 March 2008 20:08:54 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > Problems include the panel included with Plasmaa and the icons on the
> > desktop confined to only one desktop of my dual screen. The ability to
> > resize the panel points to the eventual realization of the obvious
> > potential of kde4.
>
> Odd(?), I can resize my panel now just fine. Just tried, was pleasantly
> surprised, must've been a feature added only recently.  Wee! :)

Yep, I was also pleased to see this return :)

FYI Konq now works fine on my network as does Dolphin now... excellent! Good 
to see Konsole back in the context menu.
The Email plasmoid I built on 4.0.1 works no problem so no need rebuild it :)

Kget still seems to just sit there and not d/load anything, I'm trying to find 
the bug report on this on kde.bugs can anyone confirm this?

Somethings I miss are the Show Desktop widget and a Trash widget, I  believe 
these maybe in playground or extragear?  I'll do some digging around.

Anyway very impressed with all the fixes etc.

F8, KDE-4.0.2

Cheers

Colin
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:57:38 +0200
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On Tuesday, 18 בMarch 2008 22:08:54 Rex Dieter wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > Problems include the panel included with Plasmaa and the icons on the
> > desktop confined to only one desktop of my dual screen. The ability to
> > resize the panel points to the eventual realization of the obvious
> > potential of kde4.
>
> Odd(?), I can resize my panel now just fine. Just tried, was pleasantly
> surprised, must've been a feature added only recently.  Wee! :)
>

I guess I didn't make myself clear about this one. My panel indeed can be 
resiszed.

Oh, one other thing that I forgot to mention. Icons on the desktop, even 
though I can choose the size of the icons on the desktop. They always remain 
at 48 pixels. I like 32 pixels. Oh well

> multi-screen setups are still broken in places, due mostly to X/driver
> bugs (read up on aseigo's blog recently for the gory details).

I just read the blog. The blog seems to indicate that the problem is with kde4 
itself. Not X drivers. It seems that kde4 simply made an oversight when 
programming "struts" in plasma and it would take some major reprogramming to 
get it to work. I hope that this will work properly in 4.1 because if it 
doesn't then what, by the time fedora 10 comes around I will be forced to 
work with a "crippled" KDE desktop or ugh Gnome. Both seem to be unsavory.

> > The other problem that I encountered immediately is that Konqueror is
> > getting slower and slower when it comes to dealing with Java script and
> > it seems not to be able to handle flash plugins at all. This of course is
> > on an x86_64 platform that relies on nspluginviewer for flash.
>
> True, konq/x86_64 + nspluginviewer still = boom I think.
>

Seems to work as well as Konqueror is working these days in 3.5.9.


Eli

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On Wednesday 19 March 2008 04:57:38 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Oh, one other thing that I forgot to mention. Icons on the desktop, even
> though I can choose the size of the icons on the desktop. They always
> remain at 48 pixels. I like 32 pixels. Oh well

Are you sure it is not possible to change directly in the configuration files? 
The size of the panel was configurable directly in 4.0.1 and only in 4.0.2 it 
had a graphical configuration.

I am just guessing here, I have no idea if that is possible or not.

> > multi-screen setups are still broken in places, due mostly to X/driver
> > bugs (read up on aseigo's blog recently for the gory details).
>
> I just read the blog. The blog seems to indicate that the problem is with
> kde4 itself. Not X drivers. It seems that kde4 simply made an oversight
> when programming "struts" in plasma and it would take some major
> reprogramming to get it to work.

As far I understand from reading Aaron's blog and the freedesktop.org page 
struts are defined in the window manager standard. So the problem is neither 
at xorg level or at kde4 level but instead it is intermediate. The fact that 
all the window manager follow the same protocol allows us to replace them 
easily.
http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/1.3/ar01s05.html
http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.3.html

-- 
José Abílio




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Eli Wapniarski wrote:

> On Tuesday, 18 בMarch 2008 22:08:54 Rex Dieter wrote:

>> multi-screen setups are still broken in places, due mostly to X/driver
>> bugs (read up on aseigo's blog recently for the gory details).
> 
> I just read the blog. The blog seems to indicate that the problem is with
> kde4 itself. Not X drivers.

go back further.  He's commented several times about how many X-driver's
blatantly lie about how many displays are currently in use (as well as
various other associated bugs wrt opengl, compositing, etc...).

-- Rex




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