'kde-redhat-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 21'

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: A little off topic (Eli Wapniarski)
   2. Re: A little off topic (Eli Wapniarski)
   3. Recent KDE screen-saver problems (?yvind Stegard)
   4. Re: A little off topic (Eli Wapniarski)
   5. Kword crashing (P. Ekholm)
   6. Re: A little off topic (Jose' Matos)
   7. Re: A little off topic (Rex Dieter)
   8. Re: A little off topic (Kevin DeKorte)
   9. Re: Kword crashing (Olaf M?ller)

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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:06:44 +0300
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] A little off topic
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> Has the policy of phasing out apt-rpm changed?  I moved away from it on
> the understanding the repositories are dropping support for it.

Yes and no. As you may be aware development has stopped for apt-get for RPMS 
but you can still find rpms for apt-get at http://atrpms.net for fc5 and I 
just checked, and it looks like you will still be able to get it from there 
for fc6. Freshrpms still support apt-get, obviously rpmforge still supports 
it and kde-redhat still supports it (thanks Rex). The pain here is that Livna 
does not so any package that is required from Livna has to be downloaded 
manually.

Not wanting to open up an old debate. I prefer apt-get because of the ability 
to set up priorities rather than relying on the program choosing for me what 
package to get from what repo based on weights. Smart and Yum work that way 
and sends me on a merry go round sometimes and / or installs packages from 
repos that I don't want to get them from even though there are some packages 
from them that I do want. Priorities allow me to be very very selective. 
Anyway, I'll live with the manual Livna downloads. I really don't like 
programs thinking for me.

>
> Anyway, I thought I'd suggest an alternative: copy the CDs (or set up a
> network-based install via FTP or NFS) to the server,

Thanks for the suggestion, but this is a no go because the only computer that 
I have access from the outside is the computer that I will need to upgrade. 
And I really don't want to spend the time in the shop suppervising the 
progress bar if I don't have to.

Anyway, the question still remains. If I use yum to do an distribution 
upgrade, should I just upgrade from fc packages and then get third party 
stuff or is it OK to get third party stuff at the same time. Recommendations.

Eli




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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] A little off topic
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> Has the policy of phasing out apt-rpm changed?  I moved away from it on
> the understanding the repositories are dropping support for it.

Yes and no. As you may be aware development has stopped for apt-get for RPMS
but you can still find rpms for apt-get at http://atrpms.net for fc5 and I
just checked, and it looks like you will still be able to get it from there
for fc6. Freshrpms still support apt-get, obviously rpmforge still supports
it and kde-redhat still supports it (thanks Rex). The pain here is that Livna
does not so any package that is required from Livna has to be downloaded
manually.

Not wanting to open up an old debate. I prefer apt-get because of the ability
to set up priorities rather than relying on the program choosing for me what
package to get from what repo based on weights. Smart and Yum work that way
and sends me on a merry go round sometimes and / or installs packages from
repos that I don't want to get them from even though there are some packages
from them that I do want. Priorities allow me to be very very selective.
Anyway, I'll live with the manual Livna downloads. I really don't like
programs thinking for me.

> Anyway, I thought I'd suggest an alternative: copy the CDs (or set up a
> network-based install via FTP or NFS) to the server,

Thanks for the suggestion, but this is a no go because the only computer that
I have access from the outside is the computer that I will need to upgrade.
And I really don't want to spend the time in the shop suppervising the
progress bar if I don't have to.

Anyway, the question still remains. If I use yum to do an distribution
upgrade, should I just upgrade from fc packages and then get third party
stuff or is it OK to get third party stuff at the same time. Recommendations.

Eli

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From: =?utf-8?q?Ã˜yvind_Stegard?= <oyvinst@ifi.uio.no>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:49:30 +0200
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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] Recent KDE screen-saver problems
Message: 3

Hi,

Obviously, there have been som problems with screen savers in KDE 3.5.3. The 
latest patch that is believed to fix things is from the FreeBSD folks (?).

I'm still having a problem:

I don't use the "Start automatically" option in the KDE screen saver (yes, I 
have the screen saver disabled). I solely use DPMS for blanking, after about 
30 minutes of inactivity. However, now my screen has started blanking after 
no time at all (about one minute of inactivity causes blanking, and I've not 
configured this anywhere).

So, here's what's going on:
$ xset q|grep Saver -A2
Screen Saver:
  prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes
  timeout:  70    cycle:  600

X has blanking configured, even though I haven't set that _anywhere_.

So, how to fix ? Well, I go to KControl->Appearance & Themes->Screen Saver and 
check the "Start automatically"-box, then "Apply". X blanking remains 
unchanged:
$ xset q|grep Saver -A2
Screen Saver:
  prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes
  timeout:  70    cycle:  600

However, if I now un-check "Start automatically", then click "Apply", X 
blanking is properly disabled:
$ xset q|grep Saver -A2
Screen Saver:
  prefer blanking:  yes    allow exposures:  yes
  timeout:  0    cycle:  600

(Timeout of 0 means disabled, I guess.)

So it seems like there's something missing during initialization, ie. screen 
saver config is not properly applied during KDE boot. I can't imagine this is 
very hard to fix, so I might have a look at it, but I was wondering if 
someone else is seeing this, as well.

$ rpm -qv kdelibs kdebase qt
kdelibs-3.5.3-8.0.fc4.kde
kdebase-3.5.3-9.1.fc4.kde
qt-3.3.6-11.0.fc4.kde

Ã˜yvind
-- 
< Ã˜yvind Stegard < oyvinst at ifi uio no >
 < http://www.oyvind.nu/




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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] A little off topic
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(I'm trying to send this again, because it seems like it didn't go through.)

> Has the policy of phasing out apt-rpm changed?  I moved away from it on
> the understanding the repositories are dropping support for it.

Yes and no. As you may be aware development has stopped for apt-get for RPMS
but you can still find rpms for apt-get at http://atrpms.net for fc5 and I
just checked, and it looks like you will still be able to get it from there
for fc6. Freshrpms still support apt-get, obviously rpmforge still supports
it and kde-redhat still supports it (thanks Rex). The pain here is that Livna
does not so any package that is required from Livna has to be downloaded
manually.

Not wanting to open up an old debate. I prefer apt-get because of the ability
to set up priorities rather than relying on the program choosing for me what
package to get from what repo based on weights. Smart and Yum work that way
and sends me on a merry go round sometimes and / or installs packages from
repos that I don't want to get them from even though there are some packages
from them that I do want. Priorities allow me to be very very selective.
Anyway, I'll live with the manual Livna downloads. I really don't like
programs thinking for me.

> Anyway, I thought I'd suggest an alternative: copy the CDs (or set up a
> network-based install via FTP or NFS) to the server,

Thanks for the suggestion, but this is a no go because the only computer that
I have access from the outside is the computer that I will need to upgrade.
And I really don't want to spend the time in the shop suppervising the
progress bar if I don't have to.

Anyway, the question still remains. If I use yum to do an distribution
upgrade, should I just upgrade from fc packages and then get third party
stuff or is it OK to get third party stuff at the same time. Recommendations.

Eli

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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] Kword crashing
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Hi!

I have recently upgraded to the new version 1.5.2 of koffice and i have seen 
kword constantly crashing on upstart. Just kword not kspread, kexi, krita and 
the others. Anyone who had seen that? Anyone who had come to a conclusion? 

Regards
P. Ekholm




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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] A little off topic
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On Friday 21 July 2006 06:06, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Yes and no. As you may be aware development has stopped for apt-get for
> RPMS but you can still find rpms for apt-get at http://atrpms.net for fc5
> and I just checked, and it looks like you will still be able to get it from
> there for fc6.

  AFAIR there is now support in apt-rpm for the repo format used by yum.

  FWIW Axel also maintains apt-get in Extras, so there should not be many 
differences between these two versions.

-- 
José Abílio




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Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>> Has the policy of phasing out apt-rpm changed?  I moved away from it on
>> the understanding the repositories are dropping support for it.
> 
> Yes and no. As you may be aware development has stopped 

Update: apt (for rpm) development has resumed, with a new maintainer.
So it's not so dead afterall.

-- Rex




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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] A little off topic
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:

> Anyway, the question still remains. If I use yum to do an distribution
> upgrade, should I just upgrade from fc packages and then get third party
> stuff or is it OK to get third party stuff at the same time. Recommendations.
> 
> Eli
> 

Eli,

When I upgraded from FC4 to FC5, I did core, extras, updates, livna and
kde-redhat all at once. Took a long time, but it did work using yum.

Kevin
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Kword crashing
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P. Ekholm wrote:

> I have recently upgraded to the new version 1.5.2 of koffice and i
> have seen kword constantly crashing on upstart. Just kword not
> kspread, kexi, krita and the others. Anyone who had seen that? Anyone
> who had come to a conclusion?
Yes, I have seen that (2.6.17-1.2159_FC5, kdelibs-3.5.3-11.0.fc5.kde,
kdebase-3.5.3-9.1.fc5.kde). But my only conclusion was to downgrade
back to koffice 1.5.1.


regards
Olaf




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