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Today's Topics:

   1. Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my menus (=?utf-8?q?=C3=98yvind_Stegard?=)
   2. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my menus (=?utf-8?q?=C3=98yvind_Stegard?=)
   3. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my
       menus (Rex Dieter)
   4. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my
       menus (Rex Dieter)
   5. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my
       menus (Rex Dieter)
   6. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my menus (Jose' Matos)
   7. is amarok-xine no longer needed? (Tim Wunder)
   8. Re: Latest kdelibs/kdebase updated goofed up my menus (=?utf-8?q?=C3=98yvind_Stegard?=)
   9. Re: is amarok-xine no longer needed? (Rex Dieter)
  10. Re: is amarok-xine no longer needed? (Tim Wunder)
  11. kdelibs-menus (Rex Dieter)
  12. Re: kdelibs-menus (Eli Wapniarski)
  13. Re: kdelibs-menus (Jose' Matos)

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Hi,

Concerning the latest kdelibs/kdebase update in testing:
kdelibs-3.5.2-2.1.fc4.kde
kdebase-3.5.2-5.1.fc4.kde

My menus were screwed.. :(. Started fresh with new ~/.config and 
~/.local + kbuildsycoca --noincremental, but the layout has changed. 
It's more messy; duplicates at different places, the "More 
applications ->"-stuff all around (dislike that very much). The 
structure is also deeper/more categorized than it used to be. I'm using 
redhat-menus. Should I be using kdelibs-menus instead ? I haven't 
bothered to follow previous menu discussions, because I've always been 
pleased with the menu the way it was.

Øyvind
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On Thursday 04 May 2006 11:26, Øyvind Stegard wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Concerning the latest kdelibs/kdebase update in testing:
> kdelibs-3.5.2-2.1.fc4.kde
> kdebase-3.5.2-5.1.fc4.kde
> 
> My menus were screwed.. :(. Started fresh with new ~/.config and
> ~/.local + kbuildsycoca --noincremental, but the layout has changed.
> It's more messy; duplicates at different places, the "More
> applications ->"-stuff all around (dislike that very much). The
> structure is also deeper/more categorized than it used to be. I'm
> using redhat-menus. Should I be using kdelibs-menus instead ? I
> haven't bothered to follow previous menu discussions, because I've
> always been pleased with the menu the way it was.
> 
> Øyvind
Sorry, forgot to mention, I'm on FC4, but that is kind of evident from 
the versions mentioned above, anyway =).

Øyvind
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Øyvind Stegard wrote:

> Concerning the latest kdelibs/kdebase update in testing:
> kdelibs-3.5.2-2.1.fc4.kde
> kdebase-3.5.2-5.1.fc4.kde
> 
> My menus were screwed.. :(. Started fresh with new ~/.config and 
> ~/.local + kbuildsycoca --noincremental, but the layout has changed. 
> It's more messy; duplicates at different places, the "More 
> applications ->"-stuff all around (dislike that very much). The
> structure is also deeper/more categorized than it used to be. I'm using 
> redhat-menus. Should I be using kdelibs-menus instead ? 

Actually, there is only *1* menu style now, and that is the *kde* one 
(ie, what used to be kde-menus and/or kdelibs-menus).  That's what 
you're seeing.

> I haven't 
> bothered to follow previous menu discussions, because I've always been 
> pleased with the menu the way it was.

So, I think you appear to be a minority that preferred redhat's modified 
kde menu?  (:

In short, we (and redhat/fedora now) are following upstream.


-- Rex


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Rex Dieter wrote:
> Øyvind Stegard wrote:
> 
> > Concerning the latest kdelibs/kdebase update in testing:
> > kdelibs-3.5.2-2.1.fc4.kde
> > kdebase-3.5.2-5.1.fc4.kde
> > 
> > My menus were screwed.. :(. Started fresh with new ~/.config and 
> > ~/.local + kbuildsycoca --noincremental, but the layout has changed. 
> > It's more messy; duplicates at different places, the "More 
> > applications ->"-stuff all around (dislike that very much). The
> > structure is also deeper/more categorized than it used to be. I'm 
> > using redhat-menus. Should I be using kdelibs-menus instead ? 
> 
> 
> Actually, there is only *1* menu style now, and that is the *kde* one 
> (ie, what used to be kde-menus and/or kdelibs-menus).  That's what 
> you're seeing.
> 
> > I haven't bothered to follow previous menu discussions, because I've 
> > always been pleased with the menu the way it was.
> 
> 
> So, I think you appear to be a minority that preferred redhat's modified 
> kde menu?  (:

I suppose if there is sufficient demand, I could resurrect the previous 
redhat-kde menu style, and make that an optional bit (like how 
kde-menus, kdelibs-menus were before).

-- Rex


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Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Øyvind Stegard wrote:

> > > I haven't bothered to follow previous menu discussions, because I've 
> > > always been pleased with the menu the way it was.

> > So, I think you appear to be a minority that preferred redhat's 
> > modified kde menu?  (:

> I suppose if there is sufficient demand, I could resurrect the previous 
> redhat-kde menu style, and make that an optional bit (like how 
> kde-menus, kdelibs-menus were before).

In the meantime, you don't have to wait for me, just grab
http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/SOURCES/kdelibs/kde-applications.menu

and do something like
mkdir -p /etc/xdg.d/redhat-kde/menus
cp kde-applications.menu /etc/xdg.d/redhat-kde/menus/applications.menu

then set env var
XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg.d/redhat-kde; export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS

in a source'd startup script (put it in /etc/profile.d/ or /etc/kde/env)

-- 
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On Thursday 04 May 2006 13:08, Rex Dieter wrote:
> I suppose if there is sufficient demand, I could resurrect the previous
> redhat-kde menu style, and make that an optional bit (like how
> kde-menus, kdelibs-menus were before).

  LOL, now that would be ironic. ;-)

  It is almost like the nostalgia that some people seem to have to for 
BlueCurve. :-)

  Clearly this a subject that makes me smile, after so much controversy, with 
claims like "RedHat is crippling kde" and others. Like we say here "You can 
be arrested for having a dog and you can be arrested for not having a 
dog..." :-)

> -- Rex

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Using FC4, I get this error:

$ sudo yum install amarok
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
...
Parsing package install arguments
Resolving Dependencies
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package amarok.i386 0:1.3.9-1.fc4 set to be updated
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: amarok = 1.3.8 for package: amarok-visualisation
--> Processing Dependency: amarok = 1.3.8 for package: amarok-xine
--> Restarting Dependency Resolution with new changes.
--> Populating transaction set with selected packages. Please wait.
---> Package amarok-visualisation.i386 0:1.3.9-1.fc4 set to be updated
--> Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: amarok = 1.3.8 for package: amarok-xine
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: amarok = 1.3.8 is needed by package amarok-xine

$ rpm -qi amarok-xine
Name        : amarok-xine                  Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version     : 1.3.8                             Vendor: (none)
Release     : 1.1.fc4.kde                   Build Date: Wed 18 Jan 2006 
08:59:01 AM EST
Install Date: Sun 22 Jan 2006 10:13:26 PM EST      Build Host: mobius.unl.edu
Group       : Applications/Multimedia       Source RPM: 
amarok-1.3.8-1.1.fc4.kde.src.rpm
Size        : 137540                           License: GPL
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Wed 18 Jan 2006 01:31:40 PM EST, Key ID 
efe4780cff6382fa
URL         : http://amarok.kde.org
Summary     : Xine engine for Amarok
Description :
Amarok can also use the xine engine to decode sound. This package
enables it.

Is amarok-xine no longer needed? 

Thanks, 
Tim

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On Thursday 04 May 2006 14:08, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
<snip>
> I suppose if there is sufficient demand, I could resurrect the
> previous redhat-kde menu style, and make that an optional bit (like
> how kde-menus, kdelibs-menus were before).
>
> -- Rex
Nah, not for my part, I'll just get used to the new one. After years of 
configuring Linux, I've learned to just resign and adapt, sometimes. 
After all, humans are supposed to be good at adapting themselves. As 
long as I've got all my key bindings, the menu doesn't matter much. 
Configuring stuff to death was a hobby of mine years ago, but I got 
tired of it ;).

Øyvind
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Tim Wunder wrote:

> Is amarok-xine no longer needed?


amarok-xine is deprecated, use amarok-extras-nonfree (from Livna) now


-- Rex


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On Thursday 04 May 2006 8:39 am, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Tim Wunder wrote:
> > Is amarok-xine no longer needed?
>
> amarok-xine is deprecated, use amarok-extras-nonfree (from Livna) now
>

That appears to have done the trick, but I still have a couple of questions. 
During the update, I got an error:
error: %postun(amarok-1.3.8-1.0.fc4.kde.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 2
Is that anything to worry about?

Also, in the Transaction Summary section, yum told me it was going to install 
1 package, update 2 and remove 0, yet it removed amarok-xine, shouldn't it 
have said that it was going to install 1, upgrade 2 and remove 1?

See the output below:

$ sudo yum install amarok
Setting up Install Process
Setting up repositories
livna                     100% |=========================|  951 B    00:00
...
Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================
 Package                 Arch       Version          Repository        Size
=============================================================================
Installing:
 amarok-extras-nonfree   i386       1.3.9-1.lvn4     livna              94 k
     replacing  amarok-xine.i386 1.3.8-1.1.fc4.kde

Updating:
 amarok                  i386       1.3.9-1.fc4      extras            9.6 M
Updating for dependencies:
 amarok-visualisation    i386       1.3.9-1.fc4      extras             22 k

Transaction Summary
=============================================================================
Install      1 Package(s)
Update       2 Package(s)
Remove       0 Package(s)
Total download size: 9.7 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
(1/3): amarok-extras-nonf 100% |=========================|  94 kB    00:00
(2/3): amarok-1.3.9-1.fc4 100% |=========================| 9.6 MB    00:55
(3/3): amarok-visualisati 100% |=========================|  22 kB    00:00
Running Transaction Test
Finished Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
  Updating  : amarok                       ######################### [1/7]
  Installing: amarok-extras-nonfree        ######################### [2/7]
  Updating  : amarok-visualisation         ######################### [3/7]
  Removing  : amarok-xine                  ######################### [4/7]
  Cleanup   : amarok                       ######################### [5/7]
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.8409: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `<<<'
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.8409: line 1: `<<<<<<< amarok.spec'
error: %postun(amarok-1.3.8-1.0.fc4.kde.i386) scriptlet failed, exit status 2
  Cleanup   : amarok                       ######################### [6/7]
  Cleanup   : amarok-visualisation         ######################### [7/7]

Installed: amarok-extras-nonfree.i386 0:1.3.9-1.lvn4
Updated: amarok.i386 0:1.3.9-1.fc4
Dependency Updated: amarok-visualisation.i386 0:1.3.9-1.fc4
Replaced: amarok-xine.i386 0:1.3.8-1.1.fc4.kde
Complete!


-- 
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Alleluia!  Eureka!  The sky if falling!  Hell has frozen over!

Fedora *finally* stopped using kde-applications.menu (and the evil
kdelibs-3.4.0-menu.patch).  Yay.

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/178320


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On Thursday, 4 בMay 2006 21:09, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Alleluia!  Eureka!  The sky if falling!  Hell has frozen over!
> 
> Fedora *finally* stopped using kde-applications.menu (and the evil
> kdelibs-3.4.0-menu.patch).  Yay.
> 
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/178320
> 
> 
> -- Rex
> 
Congrats Rex. Well done on, after many many years, gettting RH / FC to change 
there mind about this specific issue. The context is RH 8. It was an effort 
to homogenize the menus so that when a Gnome user or KDE user would click on 
the menu, they would see the same thing. I wrote about this way back when and 
the feed back I got at the time was essentially, its a great idea. Gnome and 
KDE should work exactly the same way.

Once again... very very well done and thank you.

Eli


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On Thursday 04 May 2006 19:30, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Once again... very very well done and thank you.

  +1

> Eli

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