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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Bug 106367 (Eli Wapniarski)
2. Re: Bug 106367 (Claude Jones)
3. Re: Bug 106367 (Eli Wapniarski)
4. Re: Bug 106367 (Claude Jones)
5. Re: Bug 106367 (Colin J Thomson)
6. Re: Bug 106367 (Kevin DeKorte)
7. Re: Bug 106367 (Claude Jones)
8. Re: Bug 106367 (Kevin DeKorte)
9. Re: Bug 106367 (Eli Wapniarski)
10. Re: Bug 106367 (Eli Wapniarski)
11. Re: Bug 106367 (Colin J Thomson)
12. Re: Bug 106367 (Eli Wapniarski)
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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 21:55:04 +0300
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On Monday 04 July 2005 21:44, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Mon July 4 2005 2:16 pm, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > HI Everybody.
> >
> > I would like very much to enlist the help of the kde-redhat community
> > please.
> >
> > I reported a bug towards the end of May of this year. It would seem that
> > one kde developer can confirm the bug and another just reported that they
> > cannot.
> >
> > The bug (at least I think that this is a bug) is in Konqueror and what
> > happens is that when I visit the page at
> >
> > http://www.haaretzdaily.com
> >
> > Konqueror becomes terribly unresponsive.
>
> Not so here. I checked responsiveness against same page in Firefox, and the
> response was about the same. My internet connection is buggy this weekend
> so that 'could be' a factor - my connection slowness masking the other
> problem, or something. I did notice that in Konqueror, a couple of smaller
> windows were spawned with nothing in them as I browsed a couple of pages.
Firstly, thanks for taking the time.
The speed at which the page downloads is not the issue. Rendering of the page
as usual is very quick. The issue is, when I allow the whole page to download
into Konqueror, then what I experience, is that Konqueror becomes jerky on
that specific page. Everything responds slowly. Mouse overs are slow,
scrolling is slow, right clicking over items produces menus very slowly. Not
so in Firefox.
Eli
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From: Claude Jones <claude_jones@levitjames.com>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:09:52 -0400
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On Mon July 4 2005 2:55 pm, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Firstly, thanks for taking the time.
>
well...I think you would still tip the balance if we were counting
> The speed at which the page downloads is not the issue. Rendering of the
> page as usual is very quick. The issue is, when I allow the whole page to
> download into Konqueror, then what I experience, is that Konqueror becomes
> jerky on that specific page. Everything responds slowly. Mouse overs are
> slow, scrolling is slow, right clicking over items produces menus very
> slowly. Not so in Firefox.
>
I'm not getting any of the phenomena you report. Mouse overs are snappy,
scrolling seems normal, and 'right click/save as' and other like operations
seem normal.
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From: Eli Wapniarski <eli@orbsky.homelinux.org>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:24:50 +0300
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On Monday 04 July 2005 22:09, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Mon July 4 2005 2:55 pm, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > Firstly, thanks for taking the time.
>
> well...I think you would still tip the balance if we were counting
>
> > The speed at which the page downloads is not the issue. Rendering of the
> > page as usual is very quick. The issue is, when I allow the whole page to
> > download into Konqueror, then what I experience, is that Konqueror
> > becomes jerky on that specific page. Everything responds slowly. Mouse
> > overs are slow, scrolling is slow, right clicking over items produces
> > menus very slowly. Not so in Firefox.
>
> I'm not getting any of the phenomena you report. Mouse overs are snappy,
> scrolling seems normal, and 'right click/save as' and other like operations
> seem normal.
How fast is your computer and how much memory do you have? I'm beginning to
think that this is a performance issue. My system is a PIII 800 MHz with 512
MBytes ram.
Yours.
Eli
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From: Claude Jones <claude_jones@levitjames.com>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:43:27 -0400
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On Mon July 4 2005 3:24 pm, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>
> How fast is your computer and how much memory do you have? I'm beginning to
> think that this is a performance issue. My system is a PIII 800 MHz with
> 512 MBytes ram.
>
P4 2.8 ghz, 1 gb ram
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
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On Monday 04 Jul 2005 19:16, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> HI Everybody.
>
> I would like very much to enlist the help of the kde-redhat community
> please.
>
> I reported a bug towards the end of May of this year. It would seem that
> one kde developer can confirm the bug and another just reported that they
> cannot.
>
> The bug (at least I think that this is a bug) is in Konqueror and what
> happens is that when I visit the page at
>
> http://www.haaretzdaily.com
>
> Konqueror becomes terribly unresponsive.
>
> I was just wondering if you guys could either confirm or not confirm so
> there is more than just my say so.
>
> The bug report can be found at:
>
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367
Yep, confirmed here also (FC4), scrolling is very very "jittery" and the CPU
usage goes to 100%, the menus in konq take forever to open when on this site.
I noticed the "ladybird" Icon in the bottom right corner of Konq and it says
the page has errors:
Error: http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c1.js: TypeError - Value undefined
(result of expression document.body.addBehavior) is not an object. Cannot be
called.
Doubt this is the problem but thought I would mention it :)
Errors are present with FireFox (Deer Park Alpha 1) but no ill affects or
heavy CPU usage, page works very smoothly.
HTH
Colin
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:11:24 -0600
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On Monday 04 July 2005 12:16 pm, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> HI Everybody.
>
> I would like very much to enlist the help of the kde-redhat community
> please.
>
> I reported a bug towards the end of May of this year. It would seem that
> one kde developer can confirm the bug and another just reported that they
> cannot.
>
> The bug (at least I think that this is a bug) is in Konqueror and what
> happens is that when I visit the page at
>
> http://www.haaretzdaily.com
>
> Konqueror becomes terribly unresponsive.
>
> I was just wondering if you guys could either confirm or not confirm so
> there is more than just my say so.
>
> The bug report can be found at:
>
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Eli Wapniarski
>
Ed,
On Fedora Core 3 with the latest KDE from KDE RedHat, I do not see any lag on
that page with either Konq or Firefox when moving over mouse overs. I have a
ThinkPad T41p (1.7GHz Pentium M, with 1GB of RAM)
Kevin
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On Mon July 4 2005 4:03 pm, Colin J Thomson wrote:
>
> Yep, confirmed here also (FC4), scrolling is very very "jittery" and the
> CPU usage goes to 100%, the menus in konq take forever to open when on this
> site. I noticed the "ladybird" Icon in the bottom right corner of Konq and
> it says the page has errors:
>
> Error: http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c1.js: TypeError - Value undefined
> (result of expression document.body.addBehavior) is not an object. Cannot
> be called.
> Doubt this is the problem but thought I would mention it :)
>
> Errors are present with FireFox (Deer Park Alpha 1) but no ill affects or
> heavy CPU usage, page works very smoothly.
>
I revisited this following Colin's report. I am getting sluggish scrolling
behavior. I don't see the "ladybird" icon, though.
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
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On Monday 04 July 2005 02:14 pm, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Mon July 4 2005 4:03 pm, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > Yep, confirmed here also (FC4), scrolling is very very "jittery" and the
> > CPU usage goes to 100%, the menus in konq take forever to open when on
> > this site. I noticed the "ladybird" Icon in the bottom right corner of
> > Konq and it says the page has errors:
> >
> > Error: http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c1.js: TypeError - Value
> > undefined (result of expression document.body.addBehavior) is not an
> > object. Cannot be called.
> > Doubt this is the problem but thought I would mention it :)
> >
> > Errors are present with FireFox (Deer Park Alpha 1) but no ill affects or
> > heavy CPU usage, page works very smoothly.
>
> I revisited this following Colin's report. I am getting sluggish scrolling
> behavior. I don't see the "ladybird" icon, though.
The sluggish scrolling is probably due to the flash not fully being visible. I
have noticed that when you have a long vertical flash that until the top of
the flash is visible the up and down scrolling seem to studder.
Kevin
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Bug 106367
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On Monday 04 July 2005 23:03, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> On Monday 04 Jul 2005 19:16, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > HI Everybody.
> >
> > I would like very much to enlist the help of the kde-redhat community
> > please.
> >
> > I reported a bug towards the end of May of this year. It would seem that
> > one kde developer can confirm the bug and another just reported that they
> > cannot.
> >
> > The bug (at least I think that this is a bug) is in Konqueror and what
> > happens is that when I visit the page at
> >
> > http://www.haaretzdaily.com
> >
> > Konqueror becomes terribly unresponsive.
> >
> > I was just wondering if you guys could either confirm or not confirm so
> > there is more than just my say so.
> >
> > The bug report can be found at:
> >
> > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367
>
> Yep, confirmed here also (FC4), scrolling is very very "jittery" and the
> CPU usage goes to 100%, the menus in konq take forever to open when on this
> site. I noticed the "ladybird" Icon in the bottom right corner of Konq and
> it says the page has errors:
>
> Error: http://server-uk.imrworldwide.com/c1.js: TypeError - Value undefined
> (result of expression document.body.addBehavior) is not an object. Cannot
> be called.
> Doubt this is the problem but thought I would mention it :)
>
> Errors are present with FireFox (Deer Park Alpha 1) but no ill affects or
> heavy CPU usage, page works very smoothly.
>
> HTH
>
> Colin
OK... Collin. Could you please let me know the speed of your computer and how
much memory you have. Its beginning to look more and more like this is
relevant. 2 P4's with 1 gig have no problem.
At least one PIII 800 with 512 MB has this problem.
Collin you have the same problem, so, I would like to know the configuration
is.
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> The sluggish scrolling is probably due to the flash not fully being
> visible. I have noticed that when you have a long vertical flash that until
> the top of the flash is visible the up and down scrolling seem to studder.
>
> Kevin
Actually, the weird part about this is that the page becomes more unresponsive
when it is fully loaded. Flash and everything. Which leads me to believe that
the problem occurs with the horizontal scroller near the top of the page.
Just reread Claude's report who mentioned earlier, that he has had problems
with a slow connection which leads me to believe that his original reports
where provided with the test done on the page when it wasn't fully loaded.
And it can be confirmed, that yes, the page seems to work fine in Gecko based
browsers.0
One other thing to note, is that I've read that some changes ported from Apple
has had a negative impact on Konqueror, especially when it comes to the way
Konqueror handles scripts.
Eli
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From: Colin J Thomson <colin@g6avk.demon.co.uk>
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On Monday 04 Jul 2005 21:49, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Monday 04 July 2005 23:03, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > On Monday 04 Jul 2005 19:16, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> > > I would like very much to enlist the help of the kde-redhat community
> > > please.
> > > I reported a bug towards the end of May of this year. It would seem
> > > that one kde developer can confirm the bug and another just reported
> > > that they cannot.
> > > The bug (at least I think that this is a bug) is in Konqueror and what
> > > happens is that when I visit the page at
> > > http://www.haaretzdaily.com
> > > Konqueror becomes terribly unresponsive.
> > Yep, confirmed here also (FC4), scrolling is very very "jittery" and the
> > CPU usage goes to 100%, the menus in konq take forever to open when on
> > this site. I noticed the "ladybird" Icon in the bottom right corner of
> > Konq and it says the page has errors:
> OK... Collin. Could you please let me know the speed of your computer and
> how much memory you have. Its beginning to look more and more like this is
> relevant. 2 P4's with 1 gig have no problem.
>
> At least one PIII 800 with 512 MB has this problem.
> Collin you have the same problem, so, I would like to know the
> configuration is.
Sure, AthlonXP (Barton) @3200, 1 gig 400 DDR, XFX-5700 ultra gfx card etc :-)
Its somehing else, I have been running some tests but not come up with
anything of help yet. I even disabled my all the plugins and got the same
results.
Could be a dodgy script or something on that page that Konq don't like.
Cheers
Colin
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> Sure, AthlonXP (Barton) @3200, 1 gig 400 DDR, XFX-5700 ultra gfx card etc
> > -) Its somehing else, I have been running some tests but not come up with
> anything of help yet. I even disabled my all the plugins and got the same
> results.
>
> Could be a dodgy script or something on that page that Konq don't like.
>
> Cheers
>
> Colin
First, thanks to everyone that has helped so far. I would greatly appreciate
it if those that have seen the problem place a confirmation note to the bug
report.
OK... So that means it has nothing at all to do with the speed of the
computer. I agree that Konqueror doesn't like something on the page. However,
Firefox doesn't mind it, Mozilla doesn't mind it, and ... ehhem cough
choke ... Explorer doesn't mind it. Which means that somethings up with
Konqueror.
Eli
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