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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: moving to nosrc.rpm's (Rex Dieter)
   2. Re: Re: moving to nosrc.rpm's (Rex Dieter)
   3. Re: moving to nosrc.rpm's (Axel Thimm)
   4. Failed kde yum update. (Sharon Kimble)
   5. Re: Failed kde yum update. (Sam Johnson)
   6. Re: Failed kde yum update. (Claude Jones)
   7. Re: Failed kde yum update. (Sam Johnson)
   8. Re: Failed kde yum update. (Claude Jones)
   9. Re: Failed kde yum update. (Sharon Kimble)
  10. Re: KMail crash. (Colin J Thomson)
  11. Re: Re: KMail crash. (Claude Jones)
  12. Re: Re: KMail crash. (Colin J Thomson)

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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:18:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rex Dieter <rdieter1@math.unl.edu>
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Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Re: moving to nosrc.rpm's
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Axel Thimm wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:13:12AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > FYI,
> > 
> > You may or may not have noticed that much of the stuff appearing in
> > all/SRPMS.* are now nosrc.rpms.  I've been purposely omitting large
> > commonly/publically available source tarballs from the src.rpms.  I did
> > so mostly for efficiency and saving space.
> > 
> > Any objections?
> 
> Sounds fine, but is this compatible to GPL (if the omitted sources are
> such)? Perhaps adding a note in the repo that sources will be mailed

GPL only requires the Source be available, and it is, just not from me. 
(-:

> OTOH if you'd like more developer manpower to help out in kde-redhat
> then having the full src.rpm available could turn out to be
> helpful. I'm thinking of people picking up src.rpms and rebuilding on
> RHEL or x86_64, ppc and so on. Well, I'm probably thinking of myself
> ... ;)
> 
> How much space do you need?

It's not necessarily for lack of space at the moment really.  I was just 
aiming for efficiency (and apt/yum index building faster).

-- Rex


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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Rex Dieter wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:13:12AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > You may or may not have noticed that much of the stuff appearing in
> > > all/SRPMS.* are now nosrc.rpms.  I've been purposely omitting large

> > > Any objections?

> > Sounds fine, but is this compatible to GPL (if the omitted sources are
> > such)? Perhaps adding a note in the repo that sources will be mailed

> GPL only requires the Source be available, and it is, just not from me. (-:

Oops, apparently not true after reading the gpl-faq:

Can I put the binaries on my Internet server and put the source on a 
different Internet site?
     The GPL says you must offer access to copy the source code "from the 
same place"; that is, next to the binaries.

OK, so nosrc.rpm's will be replaced with real src.rpms first thing next 
week.

-- Rex


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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:40:40 +0200
From: Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@ATrpms.net>
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 10:18:51PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Axel Thimm wrote:
> >On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 09:13:12AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> >>You may or may not have noticed that much of the stuff appearing in
> >>all/SRPMS.* are now nosrc.rpms.  I've been purposely omitting large
> >>commonly/publically available source tarballs from the src.rpms.  I did
> >>so mostly for efficiency and saving space.

> >How much space do you need?
> 
> It's not necessarily for lack of space at the moment really.  I was just 
> aiming for efficiency (and apt/yum index building faster).

You are hitting a very, very ugly issue.

I think you would not be gaining much with src.rpm -> nosrc.rpm, as
the indexing from yum is the same (only picks the rpm header), and
apt's md5sum is cached.

While apt with the caching mechanism can recreate metadata very fast,
and yum20 also takes a small amount in time, the new yum takes a
couple of ages to complete.

I will be splitting buildhost, repo and metadata creation onto
different machines for that reason only :( And probably even drop some
distros to get back to sane repo refresh cycles. Splitting the repo
into different components will also help a bit, as new packages will
only update some sub-repos.

smart's author is considering to add a new metadata format that can be
incrementally populated and that will only have log(N) bandwidth
consumption making maintainers and users happy. I can't wait for it
... :/
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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From: Sharon Kimble <sharonm63@tiscali.co.uk>
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After upgrading to FC4 yesterday I've tried to get my 'fix' of the new updates 
in kde-stable. Plenty to install, but they keep falling over and failing 
saying ;-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Running transaction check
--> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdebase
--> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdelibs
--> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
--> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdebase
--> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdelibs
--> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
--> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdebase
--> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdebase
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
Error: Missing Dependency: libIex.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
Error: Missing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Following the emails here I've tried to get any necessary stuff from 
livna-stable, but I'm unable to connect to it at all. Anyone else seeing this 
problem, and, if so, have you a solution please?

Hopefully thanks
Sharon.
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Go to rpm.pbone.net and do a search for libImath.so.2 and install what pops up 
for it, it will be a package that includes all of them.  Livna.org seems not 
to have FC4 repos up yet, but I was able to get into their server using a web 
browser to get my nVidia driver.  I have just disabled the repo for now.

On Sunday 19 June 2005 07:23 am, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> After upgrading to FC4 yesterday I've tried to get my 'fix' of the new
> updates in kde-stable. Plenty to install, but they keep falling over and
> failing saying ;-
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> Error: Missing Dependency: libIex.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Following the emails here I've tried to get any necessary stuff from
> livna-stable, but I'm unable to connect to it at all. Anyone else seeing
> this problem, and, if so, have you a solution please?
> 
> Hopefully thanks
> Sharon.

-- 
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Sharon Kimble wrote:

> After upgrading to FC4 yesterday I've tried to get my 'fix' of the new updates 
> in kde-stable. Plenty to install, but they keep falling over and failing 
> saying ;-
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Running transaction check
> --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdebase
> --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> Error: Missing Dependency: libIex.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> Error: Missing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Following the emails here I've tried to get any necessary stuff from 
> livna-stable, but I'm unable to connect to it at all. Anyone else seeing this 
> problem, and, if so, have you a solution please?
> 
> Hopefully thanks
> Sharon.
> 
> 
There's been a change at Livna. You have to change the endings of the 
file names in the repo file from .stable to .lvn as in:
baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
  http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn

which used to be:
baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable
  http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable


-- 
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Thank you for telling us that, Claude. :)

On Sunday 19 June 2005 09:10 am, Claude Jones wrote:
> Sharon Kimble wrote:
> > After upgrading to FC4 yesterday I've tried to get my 'fix' of the new
> > updates in kde-stable. Plenty to install, but they keep falling over and
> > failing saying ;-
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Running transaction check
> > --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdebase
> > --> Processing Dependency: libImath.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> > --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> > --> Processing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> > --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> > --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdelibs
> > --> Processing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 for package: kdebase
> > --> Processing Dependency: libIex.so.2 for package: kdebase
> > --> Finished Dependency Resolution
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libImath.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libHalf.so.2 is needed by package kdebase
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libIex.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> > Error: Missing Dependency: libIlmImf.so.2 is needed by package kdelibs
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > 
> > Following the emails here I've tried to get any necessary stuff from
> > livna-stable, but I'm unable to connect to it at all. Anyone else seeing
> > this problem, and, if so, have you a solution please?
> > 
> > Hopefully thanks
> > Sharon.
> 
> There's been a change at Livna. You have to change the endings of the
> file names in the repo file from .stable to .lvn as in:
> baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> 
> which used to be:
> baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable
> http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable

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Sam Johnson wrote:

> Thank you for telling us that, Claude. :)
> 
> 
> 
> > There's been a change at Livna. You have to change the endings of the
> > file names in the repo file from .stable to .lvn as in:
> > baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> > http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> > 
> > which used to be:
> > baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable
> > http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
It's one of those things: "I read it over on the Fedora-list." I can't 
vouch for it's accuracy. It does seem to work and allow use of the Livna 
repository. But, before trying it, I hunted around the Livna website and 
couldn't find any reference to this change. So, caveat emptor... I 
should have made this point in my reply to Sharon. But, I've had the 
change up for over 12 hours now with no problems. By the way, I ended up 
changing the extensions for testing and unstable as well, and that seems 
to have done the trick of those as well.

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On Sunday 19 Jun 2005 14:10, Claude Jones wrote:
> 
> There's been a change at Livna. You have to change the endings of the
> file names in the repo file from .stable to .lvn as in:
> baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.lvn
> 
> which used to be:
> baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable
> http://livna.cat.pdx.edu/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/RPMS.stable

Thanks for this Claude, that sorted the problem out, and for the benefit of 
the archives the files that I needed [up-to-date FC3 upgraded to FC4] were 
OpenEXR and fltk [although that last one came from the FC3 repo on my 
machine].

Going on to livna, it looks like they only have 'stable' working atm, with no 
'unstable' or 'testing', but, its still early days :)

Thanks
Sharon.
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Hi all,

I finally got round to installing (a fresh install) of FC4 and I am also 
seeing the KMail crash when trying to send a message, 

The "work around" I have found so far is to save the message in "Drafts" and 
then move it to the Outbox and use "send queued"..

I will test some more things later, perhaps a fresh .kde DIR..

Cheers,

Colin
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On Sun June 19 2005 1:22 pm, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I finally got round to installing (a fresh install) of FC4 and I am also
> seeing the KMail crash when trying to send a message,
> 
> The "work around" I have found so far is to save the message in "Drafts"
> and then move it to the Outbox and use "send queued"..
> 
> I will test some more things later, perhaps a fresh .kde DIR..
> 

Thanks for this, Colin - if it works...this is a test of your workaround.
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On Sunday 19 Jun 2005 18:35, Claude Jones wrote:
> On Sun June 19 2005 1:22 pm, Colin J Thomson wrote:
> > I finally got round to installing (a fresh install) of FC4 and I am also
> > seeing the KMail crash when trying to send a message,
> > 
> > The "work around" I have found so far is to save the message in "Drafts"
> > and then move it to the Outbox and use "send queued"..
> > 
> > I will test some more things later, perhaps a fresh .kde DIR..
> 
> Thanks for this, Colin - if it works...this is a test of your workaround.

Looks like it works :)

I am off to check bugs.kde now as I have found a couple of problems one being 
with Konq crashing when sound previews are active:

View > Preview > Sound Files

Not sure if it related to Arts just yet though, as the other oddity is also to 
do with activating sound previews on the Desktop.

Config Desktop > Behaviour > File Icons > Sound files, with this active my 
Desktop keeps "blanking".. strange...

If anyone replies to this best change the Subject :-)

Cheers,

Colin
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