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Subject:    2018-08-06 Team meeting logs
From:       Paul Brown <paul.brown () kde ! org>
Date:       2018-08-08 9:03:44
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Hello,

Attached to this email you'll find the logs for our first bi-weekly Promo Team 
meeting held on 06/08/2018 (August 6th, 2018, for USA members).

Main point on the agenda was the Promo BoF to be held at Akademy on 13/08/2018 
(see https://phabricator.kde.org/T9066). I have already transferred the points 
discussed to that task.

Cheers

Paul
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["20180807_kde-promo_Team_Meeting.log" (20180807_kde-promo_Team_Meeting.log)]

[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:07 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hello!
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Time to start our meeting
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:30:50 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Yup, welcome to the first \
Promo biweekly meeting, everyone! :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:31:12 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	I hope it is not only us to, skadinna! [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:31:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Who's here? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:33 (CEST)] \
<skadinna>	*crickets* *tumbleweed* [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:33:08 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Joint charisma of Paul and Ivana is in free fall [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:33:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	No matter [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:06 \
(CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> There's a meeting here ? [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:34:16 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes! [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:35 (CEST)] \
<IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> I'm here . Not sure how helpful I'll be but here I am . \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:40 (CEST)] Join	ilya_b (~ilya_b@82.114.225.67) \
has joined this channel. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Our \
very first bi-weekly promo meeting [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:49 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	Hello everyone :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:54 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	And ilya_b is here too [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:56 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	Using IRC for the occasion [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:00 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Excellent [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:05 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	I'm \
lurking I suppose :p [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:12 (CEST)] \
<IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Rizzitello ( is my kde name) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:35:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This is virtually a full house, then [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [17:35:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay. There is only one point I am bringing to \
the agenda [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:36:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ivana will \
probably have our own points too [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:36:48 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	And then whatever the rest want to talk about, we can do that [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [17:37:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So we're winging it [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:37:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	My point is the BoF at Akademy [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [17:37:25 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have a task: [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:37:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	https://phabricator.kde.org/T9066 [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:37:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And we need suggestions as to what to cover... \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I would like to start the \
BoF, as we did the sprint [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:46 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	with a kind of "State of the Union". I am collecting data which will help us \
figure out where we stand [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:39:02 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	"We" being the KDE community [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:40:12 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	And "where" being "how we are doing contributor-wise, on social media, and \
in our effort to raise awareness beyond our immediate bubble of KDE software" [lunes, \
6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:05 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Here's a list of things we worked \
on during the sprint. Some of them were "resolved" completely (or as much as that's \
possible), but there were some that didn't get addressed or that we might want to \
discuss further. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I'll try and \
make it entertaining... In fact, last time it wasn't boring at all and it inspired a \
lot of speculation as to how we can move forward [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:41:08 (CEST)] <skadinna>	https://community.kde.org/Sprints/Promo/2018 [lunes, 6 \
de agosto de 2018] [17:41:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Exactly [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:41:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	To give some continuity we should also address stuff we \
worked in February [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:07 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Where we \
won't to go from there [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That's \
it from me [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	What would you \
like to include in the BoF [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:12 (CEST)] <skadinna>	My suggestion is already on \
the list :) I would like us to take a look at all our current "About Us" pages, bios \
and descriptions on social media, and agree on how we should refresh them, because \
some of them are outdated or not consistent with the rest. [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:45:40 (CEST)] <skadinna>	The BoF is relatively short so I'll hold off with \
other suggestions for now - I'm interested in what others would like to focus on. \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:56 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Maybe there's something \
more important that I'm missing! [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:24 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Having consistent and up-to-date web pages is important, yes [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [17:46:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Old stuff makes it look like we don't care \
or some project died [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Not a \
good look [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:48:31 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Good and \
up-to-date Wikipedia-Articles are also very important, as many people inform \
themselves about free software there. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:49:19 (CEST)] \
<skadinna>	Indeed - I've linked the main KDE wiki article here: \
https://phabricator.kde.org/T8181#153231 [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:49:34 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Are we allowed to edit our own Wikipedia page? [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [17:49:38 (CEST)] <skadinna>	But there are other pages for separate apps \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:50:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I thought that was a no-no. \
It had to be an objective third party [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:50:44 (CEST)] \
<skadinna>	I think so, too, but maybe it's ok for non-profits/FOSS communities? We'd \
have to check first. I'm sure Lydia knows :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:14 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Good point [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:22 (CEST)] \
<test345[m]>	Are we allowed to edit our own Wikipedia page? [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:51:22 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Why not? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:45 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	If I remember right, it is Wikipedia policy [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:52:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	You are not allowed to edit an article in which you \
have a vested interest [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It \
makes sense, I suppose. Avoid spamming [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:44 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Or turning your page into an ad [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:14 \
(CEST)] <tosky>	maybe it's not forbidden, just regulated: \
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [17:53:40 (CEST)] <test345[m]>	Or to remove some points you want to see there \
(for exmaple critics) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That \
said, I agree totally with test345[m] that Wikipedia articles are probably a good \
entry point [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:21 (CEST)] <Bro666>	and it would be \
good that they were up to date and truthful [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:52 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	I think this has to go onto the BoF [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:55:04 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have not discussed this and we should [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [17:56:36 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Would it make sense to discuss the new \
website at the BoF? We could do a status update on the redesign process and see where \
we're at with the content. This is something that's been kind of dragging on for a \
while, but it's a high-priority task... [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:00 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	tosky: the paid editors section... That makes it complicated for \
skadinna and myself [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oh yes
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	skadinna: Yes, absolutely
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This would be something else \
we did not get round to from the sprint [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:58:26 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Let me check how many hours we have... [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[17:59:31 (CEST)] <tosky>	if you want to discusse the website from the point of view \
of promo, it would make sense; but otherwise the progress on the website would \
deserve an update on its own [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [17:59:59 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	3 hours. That is not much [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:17 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	With the topics we have listed here, we are practically guaranteed to fill \
it already [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	tosky: yeah, from \
the point of view of Promo [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	As \
in: "What would make the website more popular and usable" [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:01:15 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	As far as I know, no one is currently working on the \
new website [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have a whole \
series of tasks on Phabricator [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:43 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	Our feedback could be valuable long-term, but probably not soon [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:01:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And Aleix will give us access to backstage \
 [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	so we can experiment
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	and see what works
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:03:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	ilya_b: one of the things the \
board asked us during the techncial migration is that we come up with ideas that made \
the website more visitor-friendly [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:25 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	So we should probably do that and, if some of our ideas get implemented, \
then, woohoo, better than nothing [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:30 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	By the way, so far none of the ideas are very outlandish and we have \
approached some of the people that are responsible for the migration and there is a \
general consensus that they are easy and will probably be good for the site [lunes, 6 \
de agosto de 2018] [18:07:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	https://phabricator.kde.org/T6842 \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Righty-ho! Did I put \
everybody to sleep? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:47 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I'm \
still awake :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Good to know
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:00 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	I'm awake but silent
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:10 (CEST)] <skadinna>	It looks like we've got \
enough topics for the BoF [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:16 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It \
does [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:37 (CEST)] <Bro666>	3 hours isn't long for \
complex topics like these [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We \
could probably spend three hours on each of thse topics [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:13:22 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Maybe we could have a general Promo AMA session now? \
Like if people have some questions about Promo in general, or about some specific \
thing we're working on, they can ask [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:40 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Now now? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Sure
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:54 (CEST)] <skadinna>	Yeah, unless someone has a \
topic they'd like to discuss first, of course [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:16 \
(CEST)] <skadinna>	I thought we could do this since we're done with the main point of \
today's agenda :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:24 (CEST)] <Bro666>	yes
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:15:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So, questions?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:17:15 (CEST)] <skadinna>	C'mon people, don't be shy
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:17:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok.. I have one: Why did you \
(as in anybody reading) chose to join promo? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:09 \
(CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	I have one: what's the current state of distro outreach efforts? \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oooh... Damn! That's a good \
one [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I don't know and I should
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	skadinna: ?
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:15 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I haven't worked on that \
personally so I'm pretty much in the same boat as you :/ [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:19:25 (CEST)] <skadinna>	We did form a group for that, though [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [18:19:32 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I know we have good relationship with openSUSE \
and now we have Debin on the advisory board [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:41 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	there should be some advances there too [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:19:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	But then Canonical is also on the board... [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:20:02 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	IMO distro outreach is super important \
because both a perception as well as most of a reality that most major distros these \
days ship GNOME [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:09 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	(by \
default, that is) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:11 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	we need \
to start flipping some of them over to Plasma IMHO [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:20:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:21 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	I know ALT Linux invests into KDE by translating lots of documentation and \
some code patches [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:22 (CEST)] <skadinna>	I mean, \
people signed up to do this kind of work, but there might have been a guidance issue \
on our part in the sense that we didn't give them any concrete tasks to work on \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:03 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	obviously it helps if the \
quality of our software is higher so our arguments are more convincing [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:21:19 (CEST)] <skadinna>	On the other hand, no one in Promo has \
to sit and wait for others to give them tasks... :) anyone can start an initiative on \
their own [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:57 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That said, 
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:07 (CEST)] <ngraham[m]>	but GNOME is getting a \
lot of bad press right now due to their performance problems and the realization \
that their extension architecture is fatally flawed from a technical standpoint, so \
there is an opportunity for distros who are dissatisfied with that state of affairs \
to consider Plasma, which has neither of those problems [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:22:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It seems like a task that nees to be carefully \
co-ordinated [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:30 (CEST)] <skadinna>	What I can \
tell you for sure is that people around the Web are wondering why Plasma is not the \
default choice on more distros VERY often [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:54 \
(CEST)] <ilya_b>	What idea exactly do we want to get across to the distros and whom \
do we target as contacts? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:55 (CEST)] \
<ngraham[m]>	yep, I see that too. A lot [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:01 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah, but they are usually people who are already converts, skadinna \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It is not like it's hard to \
install Plasma on most distros [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:36 (CEST)] \
<skadinna>	ilya_b is asking the right questions here :) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:23:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	it is just not there by default [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:23:59 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have to work out who we have to convince to \
change that [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:24:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And how to \
convince them, of course [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This \
is a very interesting topic ngraham[m] and we have not spent enough time on it \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:46 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Ok, then we have quite a \
narrow choice of distributions to contact [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:54 \
(CEST)] Join	Nightrose (sid305783@kde/lydia) has joined this channel. [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:27:51 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Who want to open a task? First order of \
business would be to compile that list of distros, ilya [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:28:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hi Nightrose [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:41 \
(CEST)] <Nightrose>	hey [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:57 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Mint, \
SLE, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu are those that come to mind [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [18:29:16 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	For all of them there's a known reason they \
aren't using Plasma [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Many of \
those are going to be ultra-tough [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:49 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Fedora CentOS [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:55 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	because of Red Hat [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:10 (CEST)] \
<neofytosk[m]>	there will be a distro BoF at Akademy, not sure how many of the big \
ones will be there. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:48 (CEST)] \
<neofytosk[m]>	https://community.kde.org/Akademy/2018/KDE_Distro_BoF_Lightning_Talks \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Interesting, neofytosk[m] \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:58 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Bro666: of those I named, \
which one do you think is worth trying? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:40 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Buf... [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay: \
Those with a corporate daddy will be tricky [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:17 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Execept for maybe SLE [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:29 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Okay, I lie. They will all be tricky [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:50 \
(CEST)] <ilya_b>	So... [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:15 (CEST)] <Bro666>	SLE is \
a possibility, since we already have a foot in the door with openSUSE [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:33:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Besides, they recently regained a certain \
degree of independence [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	The \
switche to Gnome because of Novell [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:54 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	That is long past [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:12 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	For that, we would have to persuade SUSE that Plasma is stable and \
feature-rich enough to serve as a corporate DE [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:23 \
(CEST)] <ilya_b>	But is it? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:26 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Stable, mainly stable [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:34:54 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	feature-rich is not a big concern for corporate  [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:35:33 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Or maybe... We could emphasize that DE would serve \
as a difference from Fedora and Ubuntu [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:35:39 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	A marketing feature [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:13 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Heh... "Different" is not a good selling point either, unfortunately [lunes, \
6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Unless businesses stick to GNOME so \
badly they can't afford to risk their habits [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:34 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Not to a company [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:50 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	And SUSE deals mainly with companies [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:11 \
(CEST)] <ilya_b>	Ok, that has to be discussed in a task. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:37:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Is there a popular distro I haven't named that is worth \
trying to "convert"? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:19 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Debian
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:30 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We are still in the honeymoon \
phase [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We should definitely \
bring this matter up [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:06 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Isn't \
Debian affiliated with GNU? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:17 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Not especially, no [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:26 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Trisquel is [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:34 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Then \
yeah, agreed [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah, we should \
figure these details out in the task [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:28 (CEST)] \
<ilya_b>	Is there a distro someone knows that we've missed?.. [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:39:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Manjaro is topping the list at distrowatch [lunes, 6 \
de agosto de 2018] [18:39:43 (CEST)] Quit	ilya_b (~ilya_b@82.114.225.67) has left \
this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:39:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	quite often lately [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:23 \
(CEST)] <Bro666>	Oh [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	He left
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:54 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Sorry was \
afk for a bit [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Don't worry
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We will post logs
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:19 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot>	<Sithlord48> Joined promo \
to help promote kde [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:32 (CEST)] \
<IrcsomeBot>	<ilyaishere> Connection issues, I'm still here [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:41:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Obviously! [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:16 \
(CEST)] Join	ilya_b (~ilya_b@82.114.225.67) has joined this channel. [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:42:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	There he is [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:42:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I was sying "Manjaro", ilya_b [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:42:45 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Bro666: Manjaro comes in three editions [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:42:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I know [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:43:03 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	KDE is listed higher than GNOME, if that matters :) \
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:13 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Xfce being "default" [lunes, \
6 de agosto de 2018] [18:43:27 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Exactly [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:43:37 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	But again, a matter of one list point :) [lunes, 6 de \
agosto de 2018] [18:43:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It would be preferable that KDE were \
default [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	(the top option)
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Just saying
[lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:59 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Here we probably have to tell \
them that Plasma is simple by default and powerful when needed :) [lunes, 6 de agosto \
de 2018] [18:45:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	But let's not get into the details here... Start \
a task, ilya_b or ngraham[m] and we'll figure things out there [lunes, 6 de agosto de \
2018] [18:45:14 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Yep. [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:28 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	I have to leave, people, I have an appointment [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:45:45 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Goodbye and good luck ;) [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:45:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Thanks! [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:10 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	skadinna: you'll collect the logs, right? [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:46:29 (CEST)] <ilya_b>	Telegram has the logs [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] \
[18:47:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	True [lunes, 6 de agosto de 2018] [18:47:08 (CEST)] \
<Bro666>	Okay. See you


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