'Re: [kde-promo] About the Edu-Sprint and Sponsorship in Randa.'

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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] About the Edu-Sprint and Sponsorship in Randa.
From:       Tomaz Canabrava <tcanabrava () kde ! org>
Date:       2012-07-11 13:01:08
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Tomaz Canabrava <tcanabrava@kde.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:05 AM, Thomas Thym <ungethym@mevin.net> wrote:
> > > On Monday 09 July 2012, 00.02:23 Aleix Pol wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Thomas Thym <ungethym@mevin.net> wrote:
> > > > > With extrinsic motivation (you get a carrot if you donte) we are
> > > > > destroying
> > > > > intrinsic motivation (to donate to do good or to support a project
> > > > > wich is
> > > > > important for you).
> > > > > More options make it more difficult to deside. A couple of weeks (or
> > > > > perhaps
> > > > > months) I donated for a project with about 100 possibilities,
> > > > > depending on
> > > > > 5
> > > > > or 10 USD stepps (ok, what feeled like 100 was more than 10 or 15 in
> > > > > reality.)
> > > > > A had an amount in mind when I entered the site and was so confused
> > > > > by the
> > > > > options that I left the site to deside. Luckily I came back an
> > > > > donated the
> > > > > amount I was planing. But am not sure until today if I should write
> > > > > an
> > > > > e-mail,
> > > > > that I don't need the carrot.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I would be carefull with offering carrots for donations. But
> > > > > perhaps it
> > > > > is
> > > > > only me thinking this way and it is successful by these projekts.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But in general it is a good idea to have a donation option.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thomas
> > > > 
> > > > I tend to agree. I don't really understand how it works, but I'm sure
> > > > that
> > > > as soon as you give something in exchange it becomes more about the
> > > > exchanged thing instead of the sponsorship itself.
> > > > 
> > > > I think that if we want to give something back it should be something
> > > > that
> > > > clearly shows it's not an exchange. Like a post card, or so.
> > > > 
> > > > Aleix
> > > 
> > > Just some background information to the two psychological effects:
> > > 
> > > 1. Crowding out motivation (intrinsic motivation is destroyed by
> > > extrinsic
> > > motivation).
> > > 
> > > "These negative effects of performance-contingent rewards can best be
> > > illustrated by an field experiment of Gneezy and Rustichini (2000). It
> > > analyzes the behavior of school children collecting money voluntarily,
> > > i.e.
> > > without monetary compensation (e.g. for cancer research or disabled
> > > children).
> > > The children reduced their efforts by about 36 percent when they were
> > > promised
> > > a bonus of one percent of the money collected. Their effort to collect
> > > for a
> > > good cause could be raised when the bonus was increased from one to 10
> > > percent
> > > of the money collected. But they did not reach the initial collection
> > > level
> > > [without bonus] again. This field experiment shows clearly that there
> > > are two
> > > countervailing forces affecting behavior: a crowding-out effect of
> > > rewards and
> > > an effect of motivating the children extrinsically after the intrinsic
> > > motivation has been decreased."
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.informatik.unibw-
> > > muenchen.de/confluence/display/interactcomm/Crowding-
> > > Out+of+Intrinsic+Motivation
> > > 
> > > 2. The paradox of choise (more choise leads to better desicions but
> > > makes you
> > > unhappy).
> > > More possibilities makes it harder to deside and afterwards you are
> > > unhappy
> > > because you are unsure that you really mode the perfect desicion.
> > > 
> > > There is a brillant TED talk by Barry Schwartz on the paradox of choice
> > > 
> > > http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html
> > > 
> > > esp. from Minute 07:45
> > > 
> > > Thomas
> > > 
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> > well... ._.
> > 
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> 
> XD
> 
> Don't get down so easily. I think that all you said has little to do with
> giving something in exchange to the contribution. I think it's very
> important that who will put money in Randa knows what kind of awesome things
> we're doing.
> 
> The fact that KDE Edu has been used to teach kids in Brazil is wonderful
> news and something that I think everyone should be proud to collaborate with
> such an initiative.
> 
> Aleix

Well, Good news is that I'v got an 'ok' from the company that I work
on to put a bit of money on it, as soon as we sort things out.

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