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Subject:    [kde-promo] Re: start of elevator pitch for plasma on devices
From:       Carl Symons <carlsymons () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-11-19 17:36:55
Message-ID: AANLkTinC1pmcm3J_qsUsb18RgP6gTNh2A1_FX04hjNn3 () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Stuart Jarvis <stuart.jarvis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday 19 November 2010 00:47:51 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 18, 2010, Carl Symons wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, November 18, 2010, Carl Symons wrote:
> > > So this really boils down to that it's best for Plasma for Plasma and
> > > MeeGo to be closely tied. Is that your view?
> > 
> > it's our strongest full solution, yes.
> 
> Slightly offtopic, but do you think anyone other than Nokia will pick up MeeGo
> in the mobile space? I know MeeGo is also very relevant to set top boxes, in
> car and the like - just wondering what the prospects are for 'choose Plasma
> and have your mobile apps be device agnostic" is, before possible Qt on
> Android.
> 

My sense is that it won't be a choice that stands alone on Plasma (at
least for now). Reading the various comments and replies, the closest
thing to a single element is Qt+Plasma. It just happens that now MeeGo
is in the lead with these. And speaking naively on the subject, Qt is
a Plasma dependency.


> > > The pitch to a supplier that has already decided on MeeGo would be,
> > > "Choose Plasma."
> > 
> > i agree, though i don't want to over commit on MeeGo either. the pitch i've
> > started would most likely end up in front of suppliers that have already
> > decided on MeeGo in the short term; mid-to-long term we should be able to
> > get it in front of those who might be looking at Android or other stacks.
> 
> Ok, cool.

Plasma is the best pitch point IMO. It may be a small slice of the
stack, but it's the most UX obvious (naivete alert). I have taken to
telling people that what they are seeing on my friend's laptop and my
netbook are both Plasma Workspaces (yeah, this happens often at the
coffee shop in downtown Bellingham).

The iPhone put a serious dent in Nokia's market share. Android slowed
down Jobs' plans for world domination. Now there's a cast of thousands
gunnin' for Google. RIM still dominates biz smartphone. This race is
far from over. The consumer and business smartphone markets are likely
to see substantial advantage in the consortium behind Qt+Plasma. ARM
has yet to make its anticipated splash; Android on ARM looks like a
struggle. The long term favors Plasma.


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> 
> [Stu] The one plasmoid multi device thing is super cool - imagine a plasmoid on \
> your set top box that you can share over your wifi with your n900 so you can
> interact with it directly on the phone and make stuff happen on the tv screen
> 
> 
> Can we also add something about an ecosystem of developers already targeting
> Plasma - so essentially if you put Plasma on your device and include GHNS then
> your customers have hundreds of cool widgets to use without you doing anything
> (yes, some/many probably need customising for small devices)
> 


> ...
> > > So they should easily get the ecosystem message. However, competing
> > > with Android could be a slog. Is this an issue really?
> > 
> > it is, unfortunately. Android has an awesome foothold right now, the
> > question is if it can maintain it. personally, i don't think it can long
> > term. Android and iOS will likely remain significant players in the
> > market, but will both likely shrink in absolute importance over time.
> 
> I agree. iOS looked pretty unassailable two years ago and Nokia is big enough
> to make MeeGo matter in the mobile market. For other devices, it is very
> interesting, but Intel are big there so I'm also optimistic.
> 

Android first public availability (Feb2009; SDK-Sep2009) is more
recent than Plasma's. Android's future is not assured. One downside
for MeeGo is its close connection with Nokia seen from a smartphone
manufacturer's POV. Android is device manufacturer agnostic. The Nokia
connection is a nice launching pad. Good place to concentrate rather
than taking on Android directly.

Carl
 
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