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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] booklet
From:       Felix Michel <felix_michel () gmx ! ch>
Date:       2010-09-16 18:26:41
Message-ID: 201009162026.42009.felix_michel () gmx ! ch
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> On Thursday 16 September 2010 17:13:08 Carl Symons wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Felix Michel <felix_michel@gmx.ch> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Felix Michel <felix_michel@gmx.ch>
> 
> wrote:
> > > > > sorry,
> > > > > 
> > > > > so i failed to upload it correctly.
> > > > > 
> > > > > my fault. now it should be up.
> > > > > 
> > > > > cheers
> > > > > 
> > > > > felix
> > > > > 
> > > > > here the link again:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://community.kde.org/File:Kde_booklet.pdf
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > it looks very nice so far.  ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > However, it would be an eternal pity, if this nice work was spoiled
> > > > for users by some "technical" problems. I notice it is made with
> > > > "Adobe InDesign CS3 (5.0)". Due to some ugly personal experience with
> > > > some CS3/CS4 created PDFs in the past, I think that *could* lead to
> > > > problems when you try to print it on "cheap" home printers, or when
> > > > you try to otherwise process it. Also, some (older) PDF viewers may
> > > > have rendering problems with some areas (esp. if you use
> > > > transparencies and other fancy graphical design elements).
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Kurt
> > > 
> > > thanks Kurt. i only used this font once and it is not really useful for
> > > my purpose because i need a bold version of this font. i am new at this
> > > whole pdf printing stuff, so i am happy to get some hints. maybe we
> > > should provide to versions, one without indesign signature and so on
> > > and the other one for printing the booklet. what do you think?
> > > 
> > > cheers
> > > 
> > > felix
> > 
> > How about using an open source DTP application? Say KWord? Or Scribus
> > if KWord functionality is not adequate to the desired result. I'm
> > pretty green with KWord, so I don't know if it can produce a pdf such
> > as kde_booklet. Scribus certainly can.
> > 
> > This is kde-promo. I don't feel good about promoting one of the strong
> > proprietary software oligopolists. Especially when open source
> > alternatives are so close at hand.
> 
> In principle, you're right of course :-) Ideally, as you say, we're KDE and
> we should use KWord.

i never used kword before, but i asked jos (but i didnt send this email to the 
kde-promo list) which app i should use.

here the email:

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Felix Michel <felix_michel@gmx.ch> wrote:
> sounds awesome.

Sure does ;-)

> i try to make the draft by  the end of this week. Which app should i use? is
> it alright if i use indesign or do you prefer srcibus (or something else, i
> only know this app)?

Anything is fine I'd say, I personally don't care much. Maybe Nuno has
comments (on CC).

> > You can announce you're working on this on kde-promo or, if you want, I can
> > introduce you...
> 
> i dont understand that part. where should i introduce myself?
> 
> mailing list?

Yep, kde-promo@kde.org (you can subscribe here:
https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo)

> thanks,
> 
> cheers

Thanks in advance!

for me it is still possible to use scribus, i never used it before but i dont 
think that the differences are that big.

i dont like using windows and if i dont have to fire up a virtual machine to 
work on the booklet, i am happy too. the only problem: i dont know sribus, so 
if somebody knows scribus, it would be cool and helpful.

it is awkward to promote an opensource environnment with a closed source app.

cheers

felix



> 
> However, there are a few reasons I don't think a switch is wise this time:
> - Felix has already spent some time on this in InDesign. I doubt 
> transferring that work in to Scribus or KWord would be easy. Then there is
> also a different interface to learn
> - I'm not sure if KWord is up to it - only because some people still see
> font rendering issues with KWord, though it's not something I tend to
> notice (and that is being worked on too)
> - Scribus has issues too. I've never used InDesign so I can't compare it to
> that, but I used to use Quark Xpress quite a lot - that's what you use if
> InDesign is too cheap and nasty ;-) Scribus is a long way lacking in ease
> of getting things done, if not in final results
> 
> I know there's an argument that we should use the free tools to breaking
> point, report bugs and make them better. We should.
> 
> Ultimately though, I think (s)he who does, decides - so in this case as
> Felix is leading on the layout elements, we let him choose :-)
> 
> Having said that, I'd back using ghostscript to redistill the pdf as Kurt
> suggested (seems there are valid technical reasons and as a bonus it hides
> our 'sinning' a bit).

> 
> Stu
> 
> PS: We were here before with Google docs, had a discussion in which we
> couldn't find a free alternative and then etherpad popped up and we
> switched. Personally, I think we might find we can do a lot in KWord in
> the near future.
> 
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