From kde-promo Tue Dec 01 11:18:05 2009 From: Jos Poortvliet Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:18:05 +0000 To: kde-promo Subject: Re: [kde-promo] KDE & itsme Message-Id: <5847e5cf0912010318p6fcc3f45pf0aa6e1d5ac57124 () mail ! gmail ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-promo&m=125967679812275 On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Vincenzo Di Massa wrote: > I CC Nico Sica, our PR person, and Giovanni Martinelli, our > developement leader, so that KDE-promo has the contacts of the persons > in the "control room". > > Then I CC Michele Tameni our "worst enemy" Gnome fanboy and itsme developer :-) Hi all! > Btw, it is not itsme talking to KDE here, it is Vincenzo speaking. > Only Giovanni and Nico can speak for itsme. > > I answer inline ... > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote: >> Maybe it's worth an interview or you >> guys can host a meeting or something sometime, that's a neath way of >> getting closer to the KDE community. > > Nico, Giovanni: what about a meeting or hosting? Even skype call could > be a nice start point. Depending on what and how much you do with KDE technology a story on the dot might be possible. That's quite a high-profile site with many other news sites picking it up. > You know the effect that the 4.0 release had on Gtk/Gnome people... we > are not there anymore, but it still hurts sometimes. (I'm not blaming > the 4.0 release, but we must admit it gave new energies to so many > trolls). Maybe talking with KDE people who are good at communicating > it could emerge how much KDE technologies shine today :-) Well, the 4.0 release has hurt some users (due to distributions shipping it despite our discouragement), but since then our developer force has doubled. For developers the 4.0 release was great - a framework which is technically ahead of whatever MS and Apple can throw at us. > Well, lets me "patch" this part of my previous email: we studied and > internally documented many KDE technologies (plamsa, akonadi, nepomuk, > soprano, strigi, -virtuoso-, and others I can't remember right now)... > we had meetings where everyone else had to listen/learn about those > pieces of software. Then we decided to start using soprano+sesame2... > I was involved in the implementation of a basic backend for soprano > then moved back to GUI stuff. > > Look at the following slides (particularly slide 82) for a description > of what role soprano played > http://www.slideshare.net/itsmesrl/itsme-lezione-usi-lugano Interesting. > Since then we had problems with soprano and a guy in our team started > experimenting with tracker. He immediately felt better with tracker > (he is a Gtk/Gnome kind of person :-P), and the whole team was > convinced that using tracker + DIY (do it yourself) would be better > than trying to fix soprano (wich because of sesame was really feature > missing at the time). Since then they migrated Guglielmo (the itsme > equivalent of nepomuk-kde) and AVFS (will have a new name shortly, > basically it is a fuse overlay over the RDF storage, sort of like > KIO::nepomuk) to tracker. Well, that is unfortunate as it is my understanding from Sebastian Trueg's website that the new virtuosa backend for Soprano kind'a solves the problems it has... http://trueg.wordpress.com/ > Our initial Guglielmo code will hopefully be released as open-source > in a month or so. > > So they know what the technologies do, and they tried to use them... > Where I wrote "our developers not understanding the benefit of the Nepomuk > integration with the rest of KDE products" please read "our developers > not evaluating the benefits of the Nepomuk integration with the other > KDE technologies more than the efforts needed to fix Nepomuk/Soprano". > > In my opinion what my team is not "understanding" is that the > flexibility and the tight integration of KDE technologies is really > huge compared to the cost of "fixing it when it does not work for your > needs". Yes, I guess that's something really worth communicating. It takes a while to get the infrastructure up and running but once you do you can get features others spend months on in a couple of hours. >> Tracker >> is really not flexible enough for what you want to do, as far as I can >> tell. > > I have the same impression, but I guess that experimenting both > tracker and soprano is added value to itsme and KDE and Gnome :-) > > Maybe we could write a post about the switch  and its reasons. That would be interesting - if anyone on your team could blog about that, I can link to it from planet.kde.org. Or even more interesting, talk about it with Sebastian ;-) >> How about we get a Nepomuk person to your company to help you >> guys out? > > I would love to meet people from the Nepomuk team (we contacted > Sebastian Trueg while working on soprano and also submitted some > patches) Cool. I guess you contacted developers using IRC or mailinglists or personal mail? This works best when it comes to getting answers ;-) Of course when it comes to making decisions on technology there are a couple of companies in the KDE ecosystem who can help with that. For example KDAB, BasysKom, KO GmbH and Collabora. To get down to business: - I would love to hear a bit more about your usage of KDE technologies, that might lead to a dot story. We can take it from there and see if there are more ways to cooperate in the marketing and promo department. - I will ask Sebastian Trueg to get in contact with you and see if he can help out on the Nepomuk things. - When it comes to technical questions you should really contact the appropriate developers through IRC, mailinglists etc, if you need help ask me. For more in-depth consultancy contact one of the KDE businesses. Did I miss anything? Greetings, Jos Poortvliet KDE Marketing _______________________________________________ This message is from the kde-promo mailing list. 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