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From: Justin Kirby <justin () neomantra ! org>
Date: 2009-08-25 0:16:34
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Tom/Troy,
Thanks for the guidance. I will start contacting the moderators for all
lists that seem to be out of date to see if they would be in favor of
removing them. I'll then submit a request via the URL you've provided with
a condensed list of only what should be removed.
--
Best Regards,
Justin Kirby
Web: http://www.neomantra.org
Twitter: neomantra82 Identi.ca: neomantra
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Troy Unrau <troy.unrau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, we haven't manually tried to contact list owners yet. That can
> be a reasonable next step.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2009/8/24 Tom Albers <toma@kde.org>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > So, if I understand there is a list of unused mailinglists. If multiple
> people have reviewed the list and _all_ list owners are approached and are
> ok with the removal ( or did not respond ), then please file a sysadmin
> bugreport at https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi we will then
> remove the lists.
> >
> > But, again, I don't want to be the one who decides which lists should go
> or stay, sysadmin is just facilitating in this area.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Toma
> > --
> > KDE Developer
> >
> > Op Monday 24 August 2009 21:32 schreef u:
> >> Got no response - but that's not unusual. I'll pester them
> >> occasionally when I remember - sometimes when you pester people
> >> enough, they end up giving you write access so you can do things
> >> yourself.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> 2009/8/23 Justin Kirby <justin@neomantra.org>:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to drudge this back up if possible. Unfortunately the server
> my
> >> > blog was hosted on crashed last week so the link in the original email
> won't
> >> > work for now. I've attached it directly to this email for reference
> in the
> >> > mean time. Does anyone know what the next steps would be here towards
> >> > removing the unused ones? Troy, did you get a direct response from
> the
> >> > sysadmins? (please let me know if I just need to be more patient, just
> >> > wanted to make sure this didn't get forgotten)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Justin Kirby <justin@neomantra.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Cool, glad to see this was useful in some manner. It looks like
> there
> >> >> will be some time required to review and take next steps. I'll get
> started
> >> >> on a similar systematic review of the web sites now. Please let me
> know if
> >> >> there is any way I can help with next steps regarding the listserv
> stuff in
> >> >> the interim.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Justin
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A Dimarts, 28 de juliol de 2009, Lydia Pintscher va escriure:
> >> >>> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:55, Justin Kirby<justin@neomantra.org>
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> > > Hi all,
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Thanks to your encouragement I've been checking through all the
> >> >>> > > listserv
> >> >>> > > activity the last week or so to see which ones seem to be
> outdated or
> >> >>> > > unused. I put together a spreadsheet for all of them listing
> the
> >> >>> > > date of
> >> >>> > > last activity on them as well as my best guess as to whether
> they
> >> >>> > > ought
> >> >>> > > to be kept around or merged/deprecated. Obviously those of you
> who
> >> >>> > > have
> >> >>> > > been around for a while might have a better idea of the history
> so
> >> >>> > > here's
> >> >>> > > a link to the spreadsheet for review and would love to hear your
> >> >>> > > feedback:
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > http://www.neomantra.org/kde/list_activity.ods
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > I also wrote a blog entry summarizing things a bit and posted it
> >> >>> > > here:
> >> >>> > > http://www.neomantra.org/?p=51
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > What would you say is the logical next step from here? Some of
> the
> >> >>> > > lists
> >> >>> > > are clearly not being used anymore but some cases it was
> difficult to
> >> >>> > > say
> >> >>> > > (I marked those as such on the list). Maybe in those situations
> I
> >> >>> > > should
> >> >>> > > mail the list or the list admin and ask if anyone has objections
> over
> >> >>> > > removing it or if there are related lists that could be used
> instead?
> >> >>> > > Also, is there a global listserv admin group who would have the
> final
> >> >>> > > say
> >> >>> > > on cleaning these up or do we need to go to the owner of each
> list
> >> >>> > > and
> >> >>> > > ask them individually to delete them if the consensus here is to
> do
> >> >>> > > so?
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > --
> >> >>> > > Best Regards,
> >> >>> > > Justin Kirby
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Email: justin@neomantra.org
> >> >>> > > Web: http://www.neomantra.org
> >> >>> > > Twitter: neomantra82
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Wow, quite the list. Thanks a lot for doing that.
> >> >>> > As for the amarok-bug mailinglist: yes it is used - please keep it
> >> >>> > alive. Not sure why it is private. Will investigate.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Adding Albert so he can say something about the inactive i18n
> lists.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> cy translation is inactive, noone to ask about
> >> >>>
> >> >>> no language does not exist, no wonder it's no used
> >> >>>
> >> >>> eo translation is inactive, noone to ask about
> >> >>>
> >> >>> fa translation is inactive, noone to ask about
> >> >>>
> >> >>> fry language does not exist, no wonder it's no used
> >> >>>
> >> >>> nds translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> s_dibbern for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> lb translation is inactive, noone to ask about
> >> >>>
> >> >>> si translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> dnavin
> >> >>> for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> uk translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> yurchor
> >> >>> for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> vi translation is inactive, noone to ask about
> >> >>>
> >> >>> fr translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> renard
> >> >>> for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> el translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> pvidalis for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> nl translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> fdekruijf for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ro translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> contact
> >> >>> sbivol
> >> >>> for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> pt translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not,
> >> >>> contact zepires
> >> >>> for more info
> >> >>>
> >> >>> in language does not exist, no wonder it's no used
> >> >>>
> >> >>> sw language does not exist, no wonder it's no used
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Albert
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Cheers
> >> >>> > Lydia
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> This message is from the kde-promo mailing list.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Visit https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo to
> unsubscribe, set
> >> >>> digest on or temporarily stop your subscription.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >> Justin Kirby
> >> >>
> >> >> Email: justin (at) neomantra (dot) org
> >> >> Web: http://www.neomantra.org
> >> >> Twitter: neomantra82
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best Regards,
> >> > Justin Kirby
> >> >
> >> > Web: http://www.neomantra.org
> >> > Twitter: neomantra82
> >> > Identi.ca: neomantra
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > This message is from the kde-promo mailing list.
> >> >
> >> > Visit https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo to unsubscribe,
> set
> >> > digest on or temporarily stop your subscription.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Troy Unrau, B.Sc.G.Sc.(Hons.)
> Planetary Sciences Student - University of Western Ontario
>
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Tom/Troy,<br><br>Thanks for the guidance. I will start contacting the moderators for \
all lists that seem to be out of date to see if they would be in favor of removing \
them. I'll then submit a request via the URL you've provided with a \
condensed list of only what should be removed. <br> <br>-- <br>Best \
Regards,<br>Justin Kirby<br><br>Web: <a \
href="http://www.neomantra.org">http://www.neomantra.org</a><br>Twitter: neomantra82 \
Identi.ca: neomantra<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:49 PM, \
Troy Unrau <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:troy.unrau@gmail.com">troy.unrau@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); \
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Okay, we haven't manually tried to \
contact list owners yet. That can<br> be a reasonable next step.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
2009/8/24 Tom Albers <<a href="mailto:toma@kde.org">toma@kde.org</a>>:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> So, if I understand there is a list of unused mailinglists. If multiple people \
have reviewed the list and _all_ list owners are approached and are ok with the \
removal ( or did not respond ), then please file a sysadmin bugreport at <a \
href="https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi" \
target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi</a> we will then \
remove the lists.<br>
><br>
> But, again, I don't want to be the one who decides which lists should go or \
stay, sysadmin is just facilitating in this area.<br> ><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Toma<br>
> --<br>
> KDE Developer<br>
><br>
> Op Monday 24 August 2009 21:32 schreef u:<br>
>> Got no response - but that's not unusual. I'll pester them<br>
>> occasionally when I remember - sometimes when you pester people<br>
>> enough, they end up giving you write access so you can do things<br>
>> yourself.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>><br>
>> 2009/8/23 Justin Kirby <<a \
href="mailto:justin@neomantra.org">justin@neomantra.org</a>>:<br> \
<div><div></div><div class="h5">>> > Hi all,<br> >> ><br>
>> > I wanted to drudge this back up if possible. Unfortunately the server \
my<br> >> > blog was hosted on crashed last week so the link in the original \
email won't<br> >> > work for now. I've attached it directly to \
this email for reference in the<br> >> > mean time. Does anyone know what \
the next steps would be here towards<br> >> > removing the unused ones? \
Troy, did you get a direct response from the<br> >> > sysadmins? (please let \
me know if I just need to be more patient, just<br> >> > wanted to make sure \
this didn't get forgotten)<br> >> ><br>
>> > Thanks,<br>
>> > Justin<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Justin Kirby <<a \
href="mailto:justin@neomantra.org">justin@neomantra.org</a>> wrote:<br> >> \
>><br> >> >> Cool, glad to see this was useful in some manner. It \
looks like there<br> >> >> will be some time required to review and take \
next steps. I'll get started<br> >> >> on a similar systematic \
review of the web sites now. Please let me know if<br> >> >> there is \
any way I can help with next steps regarding the listserv stuff in<br> >> \
>> the interim.<br> >> >><br>
>> >> Thanks,<br>
>> >> Justin<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Albert Astals Cid <<a \
href="mailto:aacid@kde.org">aacid@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> >> \
>>><br> >> >>> A Dimarts, 28 de juliol de 2009, Lydia \
Pintscher va escriure:<br> >> >>> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:55, \
Justin Kirby<<a href="mailto:justin@neomantra.org">justin@neomantra.org</a>><br>
>> >>> > wrote:<br>
>> >>> > > Hi all,<br>
>> >>> > ><br>
>> >>> > > Thanks to your encouragement I've been checking \
through all the<br> >> >>> > > listserv<br>
>> >>> > > activity the last week or so to see which ones seem \
to be outdated or<br> >> >>> > > unused. I put together a \
spreadsheet for all of them listing the<br> >> >>> > > date \
of<br> >> >>> > > last activity on them as well as my best guess \
as to whether they<br> >> >>> > > ought<br>
>> >>> > > to be kept around or merged/deprecated. Obviously \
those of you who<br> >> >>> > > have<br>
>> >>> > > been around for a while might have a better idea of \
the history so<br> >> >>> > > here's<br>
>> >>> > > a link to the spreadsheet for review and would love \
to hear your<br> >> >>> > > feedback:<br>
>> >>> > ><br>
>> >>> > > <a \
href="http://www.neomantra.org/kde/list_activity.ods" \
target="_blank">http://www.neomantra.org/kde/list_activity.ods</a><br> >> \
>>> > ><br> >> >>> > > I also wrote a blog entry \
summarizing things a bit and posted it<br> >> >>> > > here:<br>
>> >>> > > <a href="http://www.neomantra.org/?p=51" \
target="_blank">http://www.neomantra.org/?p=51</a><br> >> >>> > \
><br> >> >>> > > What would you say is the logical next step \
from here? Some of the<br> >> >>> > > lists<br>
>> >>> > > are clearly not being used anymore but some cases it \
was difficult to<br> >> >>> > > say<br>
>> >>> > > (I marked those as such on the list). Maybe in those \
situations I<br> >> >>> > > should<br>
>> >>> > > mail the list or the list admin and ask if anyone has \
objections over<br> >> >>> > > removing it or if there are \
related lists that could be used instead?<br> >> >>> > > Also, \
is there a global listserv admin group who would have the final<br> >> \
>>> > > say<br> >> >>> > > on cleaning these up \
or do we need to go to the owner of each list<br> >> >>> > > \
and<br> >> >>> > > ask them individually to delete them if the \
consensus here is to do<br> >> >>> > > so?<br>
>> >>> > ><br>
>> >>> > > --<br>
>> >>> > > Best Regards,<br>
>> >>> > > Justin Kirby<br>
>> >>> > ><br>
>> >>> > > Email: <a \
href="mailto:justin@neomantra.org">justin@neomantra.org</a><br> >> >>> \
> > Web: <a href="http://www.neomantra.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.neomantra.org</a><br> >> >>> > > \
Twitter: neomantra82<br> >> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > Wow, quite the list. Thanks a lot for doing that.<br>
>> >>> > As for the amarok-bug mailinglist: yes it is used - please \
keep it<br> >> >>> > alive. Not sure why it is private. Will \
investigate.<br> >> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > Adding Albert so he can say something about the inactive \
i18n lists.<br> >> >>><br>
>> >>> cy translation is inactive, noone to ask about<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> no language does not exist, no wonder it's no used<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> eo translation is inactive, noone to ask about<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> fa translation is inactive, noone to ask about<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> fry language does not exist, no wonder it's no used<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> nds translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> s_dibbern for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> lb translation is inactive, noone to ask about<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> si translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> dnavin<br>
>> >>> for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> uk translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> yurchor<br>
>> >>> for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> vi translation is inactive, noone to ask about<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> fr translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> renard<br>
>> >>> for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> el translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> pvidalis for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> nl translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> fdekruijf for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ro translation is active, no idea if they use the list or not, \
contact<br> >> >>> sbivol<br>
>> >>> for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> pt translation is active, no idea if they use the list or \
not,<br> >> >>> contact zepires<br>
>> >>> for more info<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> in language does not exist, no wonder it's no used<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> sw language does not exist, no wonder it's no used<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Albert<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> ><br>
>> >>> > Cheers<br>
>> >>> > Lydia<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> >>> This message is from the kde-promo mailing list.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Visit <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo</a> to unsubscribe, \
set<br> >> >>> digest on or temporarily stop your subscription.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Best Regards,<br>
>> >> Justin Kirby<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Email: justin (at) neomantra (dot) org<br>
>> >> Web: <a href="http://www.neomantra.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.neomantra.org</a><br> >> >> Twitter: \
neomantra82<br> >> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Best Regards,<br>
>> > Justin Kirby<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Web: <a href="http://www.neomantra.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.neomantra.org</a><br> >> > Twitter: \
neomantra82<br> >> > Identi.ca: neomantra<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > This message is from the kde-promo mailing list.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Visit <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-promo</a> to unsubscribe, \
set<br> >> > digest on or temporarily stop your subscription.<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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--<br>
</div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Troy Unrau, B.Sc.G.Sc.(Hons.)<br>
Planetary Sciences Student - University of Western Ontario<br>
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