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Subject: Re: [kde-promo] virtual machines and the 4.2 release
From: "Wade Olson" <wade () corefunction ! com>
Date: 2008-11-24 19:11:25
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> A question that nags at me from time to time is how to manage the results
> of
> press reviews better.
>
> We have the press announcement list which is working wonders thanks to
> those
> managing that resource, such as Sebas. This allows us to shape and manage
> the
> verbage and focus of reviews fairly well.
Yes, I'd cite the two biggest hindrances for me personally to contribute
more to release notes/press release info:
1) Up-to-date builds that are easily accessible (as you cite here)
2) Up-to-date and accurate Release Goals and Feature Plans (so I know what
to look for on what's changing) on TechBase.
>
> Something that I still notice over and over again in reviews, however, is
> that
> writers often take the software for a "test drive". This is problematic
> because:
>
> * package quality varies from OS to OS
> * the packages available sometimes differ substantially from upstream
> * it requires the reviewer to spend time installing and setting up a KDE
> test
> bed OS, which I imagine takes time away from actually reviewing it
>
> So these reviews end up short on content and are more reviews of our
> downstream partner's products (Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, etc) rather
> than
> KDE's actual work. How many times have we read "$FOO kind of sucks in KDE
> 4.2
> .." when $FOO was actually a downstream modification? Far, far too often.
>
> I'd like to suggest something different this time around: let's make a
> virtual
> machine available to the press that they can download and start right from
> their desktop/laptop. This will allow us to pre-select which packages they
> use, provide additional content (e.g. we should have the press release,
> screenshots, etc included on the VM image; perhaps with a folderview open
> to
> that directory?) and lower the effort it takes to review KDE.
>
> I have an account on Suse's Studio beta platform which allows me to create
> VM's with a few clicks of a button. I'm working with them to hopefully get
> some fairly clean upstream packages available there and we should be able
> to
> include our own information packs.
>
> Thoughts? Interested helpers (paritcularly on getting the info pack ready
> for
> inclusion)?
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
> humru othro a kohnu se
> GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43
>
> KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Software
>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Aaron J. Seigo \
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi.<br>
<br>
A question that nags at me from time to time is how to manage the results of<br>
press reviews better.<br>
<br>
We have the press announcement list which is working wonders thanks to those<br>
managing that resource, such as Sebas. This allows us to shape and manage the<br>
verbage and focus of reviews fairly well.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, I'd cite the \
two biggest hindrances for me personally to contribute more to release notes/press \
release info:<br><br>1) Up-to-date builds that are easily accessible (as you cite \
here)<br> 2) Up-to-date and accurate Release Goals and Feature Plans (so I know what \
to look for on what's changing) on TechBase.<br><br><br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br>
<br>
Something that I still notice over and over again in reviews, however, is that<br>
writers often take the software for a "test drive". This is problematic<br>
because:<br>
<br>
* package quality varies from OS to OS<br>
* the packages available sometimes differ substantially from upstream<br>
* it requires the reviewer to spend time installing and setting up a KDE test<br>
bed OS, which I imagine takes time away from actually reviewing it<br>
<br>
So these reviews end up short on content and are more reviews of our<br>
downstream partner's products (Kubuntu, OpenSuse, Mandriva, etc) rather than<br>
KDE's actual work. How many times have we read "$FOO kind of sucks in KDE \
4.2<br>
.." when $FOO was actually a downstream modification? Far, far too often.<br>
<br>
I'd like to suggest something different this time around: let's make a \
virtual<br> machine available to the press that they can download and start right \
from<br> their desktop/laptop. This will allow us to pre-select which packages \
they<br> use, provide additional content (e.g. we should have the press release,<br>
screenshots, etc included on the VM image; perhaps with a folderview open to<br>
that directory?) and lower the effort it takes to review KDE.<br>
<br>
I have an account on Suse's Studio beta platform which allows me to create<br>
VM's with a few clicks of a button. I'm working with them to hopefully \
get<br> some fairly clean upstream packages available there and we should be able \
to<br> include our own information packs.<br>
<br>
Thoughts? Interested helpers (paritcularly on getting the info pack ready for<br>
inclusion)?<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Aaron J. Seigo<br>
humru othro a kohnu se<br>
GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43<br>
<br>
KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Software<br>
<br>
</font><br><br>
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