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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE OS
From:       "Riccardo Iaconelli" <riccardo () kde ! org>
Date:       2008-08-22 10:25:31
Message-ID: f57cdca40808220325u50a86539xa03ad428cda72ee7 () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Thursday 21 August 2008 21:58:30 Torsten Rahn wrote:
> > To demo it at events, and, for the same reason, it should be also pointed
> > to be the 'official KDE distribution' at reviewers, so that we don't look
> > bad because of some distributor choices or packaging errors.
> 
> And that last sentence is where things are going to be dangerous: once you
> consider it as an "official KDE distribution" and advertise it so
> 
> - other people will want to have it
> - you got to care about the subsystem (and you have no kernel hackers or
> similar people ...)
> -  how do you ensure that it will run decently on all kind of hardware, so
> that you can safely "ensure" that it will work as it has been "intended" by
> the KDE hackers? - and hence provide the "reference" you are after?
> - and a can of worms of problems you don't want to think of.

Ok, so, I get what you mean a bit more. I was thinking of getting synced with
an upstream distro (kubuntu) and just add a couple of packages to brand it
more kde, and provide example data.
But now I understand a little more what are the possible issues.

What we can do to prevent this would be:

* Market it the least the possible, find a different name (yesterday on IRC we
arrived at the 'K+' name) so that it's not confused with a full-fledged
distro, but it's really, just a livecd with a vanilla KDE.

* Let's make it clear that it's just for promo reasons or eventually for
people that want to try out KDE 4 without messing up with their
system/packages (a little bit like kdenlive was). Or just an easy way to
check what the KDE decisions were, and not mixing up distributor and KDE
choices.

* Addictionally, we can say that this is purely provided for convenience, and
you can get the same results on a default kubuntu by removing the
kubuntu-default-settings package and installing kde4-example-data.deb.

How does the above sound?

> > I already heard quite some people complaining of the KDE look because
> > they tried KDE 4 on opensuse and were simply horrified by the Ozone
> > windecoration (and some other style choices).
> 
> Yes, I also share your dislike for SUSE's attempts to make KDE 4.1 look
> like KDE 3.8. But the suggested "KDE OS" wouldn't solve that problem.

Well, we will at least have a CD with a vanilla KDE to show off, instead of
relying on third party ones, which, rightfully, brand them their way.

Surely it won't solve all the problems on the earth, but for purely KDE promo
reasons is certainly better.

> > problems. And they make us look really bad and crashy.
> 
> I believe that instead of a KDE OS we need better communication with
> packagers and better Quality Assurance for packages.
> Ideally we'd have a QA squad team that would do some basic manual checks
> from a standardized list of test tasks (like ensuring that starting
> applications will actually turn up a window for every application .... ).

That's pretty good indeed, but I guess this will go out of the scope of my
proposal of creating a KDE branded live CD.

Bye,
-Riccardo
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