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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE and PR
From:       Sebastian Sauer <mail () dipe ! org>
Date:       2008-08-09 15:35:06
Message-ID: 200808091735.06566.mail () dipe ! org
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On Saturday 09 August 2008, Sebastian Sauer wrote:
> Igor Schwarzmann wrote:
> > Hello Sebastian,
> 
> and hi Igor :)
> 
> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Sebastian Sauer <mail@dipe.org> wrote:
> > > Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > > the Ozone window decoration is absolutely horrific compared to Oxygen
> > > > (which Ozone is a fork of). the Oxygen team knew what they were doing,
> > > > but unfortunately a couple of devs (who happen to also be on the Suse
> > > > team) figured they knew better and the result is a visual Fail
> > > > on-screen
> > > 
> > > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152030 does not indicate anything
> > > like this. Please let's respect maintainers decisions and seek for a
> > > working compromise ( http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160627#c2 )
> > > rather then abusing such a topic for suse-bashing. Thanks.
> > 
> > please, no SUSE bashing is happening. It was just an
> > opinion. I'm pretty sure, that there are many who enjoy
> > the current openSUSE configuration as it is.
> 
> Absolute and we even have to and iirc also did thank e.g. Suse for they
> extra work done on e.g. 4.0 (in an own extra branch btw which was then
> picked up by other distributors cause it did just provide a better
> user-experience then vanilla did).
> 
> > That's not
> > entirely the point here. But we do have the wish to estab-
> > lish a common sense of KDE without the influence of
> > a distribution.
> 
> Quote;
> "what any distro out there shows you as KDE4 desktop is what they want it
> to look like, not what the KDE devs/artists/whoever decided to be the
> default."
> 
> I couldn't agree more. There are just different target-groups out there and
> different distributors may ship with different defaults to make *there*
> userbase (e.g. KDE3=>KDE4 adopters, Windows=>KDE4 adopters, Mac=>KDE4
> adopters, coperate desktop, working station, kiosk-system, etc.) happy by
> going with other defaults, themes, wallpapers, colors, launchers, applets,
> applications, whatever for them.

sounds probably a bit to passive since there is for sure a lot we can do. E.g. 
get a clue about there userbase and the changes they did for them and try to 
get them in our codebase (doesn't say anything if it's 
enabled/disabled/activated/deactivated/compiled by default) to be optional 
able to allow that specific scenario without any big changes needed at the 
distributors side.

Once we are at a point where distributors just need to change some 
configfiles, add some own artwork and compile some additional plugins we 
reached the goal to fullfit each possible scenario without any large eeePC 
like rewrites/additions of code.

So all in all, we don't only like to have that influence (as in feedback 
bugreports, patches, hints for directions we need to take, etc.) of the 
distributors but we need it cause they *know* about there own scenarious 
best.

In the context of that "web-guys" discusion we could need some kind 
of "distributor" (as in someone being in that area, having contacts to 
endusers, knowing about there workflows and preferences, being able to 
provide feedback and probably even patches, heh) who does show how KDE4 would 
look+feel+behave for that specific target-group since to just copy Apple is 
probably not the best solution cause we like to be better then them, don't 
we? ;)
 
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