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List:       kde-promo
Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] KDE and PR
From:       Jeff Mitchell <kde-dev () emailgoeshere ! com>
Date:       2008-08-05 1:51:49
Message-ID: 200808042151.50181.kde-dev () emailgoeshere ! com
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On Monday 04 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/8/5 Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org>:
> > who would care? mostly people already using GNOME or using KDE. yes, i'd
> > love to see Cory running KDE (he is a fellow Canadian, after all ;) but
> > we should also be careful not to start a tug-of-war over the vanishingly
> > tiny group of people in Cory's demographic publicly using and enjoying a
> > Free software desktop environment.
> 
> That's a good point. Internal fighting in the Linux camp will convince
> people not to join the Linux camp. KDE complimenting Gnome would be
> good. KDE vs. Gnome is bad for everyone.
> 
> > so the question becomes: what is our messaging, what is our medium, what
> > are the actual tools we come up with to go to market with?
> 
> How about a working, functional desktop and applications that are
> USER-READY. KDE 4.0 wasn't, and I understand that KDE 4.1 is up for
> debate. Without KDE-PIM or Amarok, I subscribe to the camp that says
> 'wait'. Though the KDE desktop, and especially Plasma (Thanks to you,
> Aaron) have in fact developed enough to be user-friendly.

I wonder if future PR should include "big ticket" items that are being worked 
on for near-term releases.  Things that KDE 4.1 reviews often reference (the 
lack of decent proxy support, for instance) -- including such items in future 
PR as the action items we're working on helps portray that we are, in fact, 
listening and working on things brought up with user feedback...thoughts?

> > call it the plasma toolbox (or "cashew" if you're into humour or
> > in-jokes) or some other at least semi-factual description, but keep the
> > derogatory comments to yourself. i've seriousy had enough of it.
> 
> I will revert to "cashew" as I think it is descriptive enough to be
> understood. I apologize for the seemingly derogatory comment. I used
> the term because it describes the frustration that was the center of
> controversy regarding the cashew. I understand that the relevant
> concerns are being addressed. I meant no ill-will in the term that I
> used, and I apologize if I offended.

Just to divert heads from needlessly getting hot (after all, it can boil the 
brain), I must say that when I read his description, I took the quotes around 
it to indicate that he was referencing the portrayal of the type of user 
we've already heard plenty from, not making such a reference himself.  Relax, 
everyone  :-)
 
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