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Subject: Re: [kde-promo] Discover is on svn, but nobody commits nor help
From: "Jos Poortvliet" <jos () mijnkamer ! nl>
Date: 2007-08-25 10:21:12
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On 8/25/07, Sebastian Kügler <sebas@kde.org> wrote:
>
> On Friday 24 August 2007 19:41:27 Pier-Olivier Thibault wrote:
> > Man I don't know where you've been in the last 6 months, but I don't
> recall
> > myself sitting on this mailing list to just talk and not act.
> Spreadkde's
> > new layout, Discover.kde.org's current layout has been made by me luke
> and
> > some other (Nielsvm and ark_mage2) I don't call this bikeshedding and
> > tailchasing. I think the ones bikeshedding are the ones complaining
> about
> > the work we're doing when using a public ftp to work on the development
> of
> > the website rather than using a svn that takes 45 minutes to refresh the
> > webpage(let me repeat this: 45 minutes to refresh any change we make in
> the
> > HTML code.. that's ridiculous)
>
> I've talked to Dirk about that, he said the discover simply wasn't the in
> post-commit hook so it wouldn't get updated at all. I've emailed sysadmin
> asking if it's fixed now.
>
> As to the other issue: Read through the napoleon thread again and tell me
> it
> doesn't qualify as bikeshedding. :>
I sure was ;-)
On the same note, I've finished integrating the stuff from the old site for
the new one. I must say, imho it's much more complete now. The new text of
course was supposed to be shorter, so I've reworded stuff often, but it IS a
big step forward. Sorry for not doing this earlier (I didn't know how to
access it, now I used websvn which worked great).
Anyway, it's far from ready. Sometimes a bit overdone, maybe, and sometimes
we could elaborate more, I guess.
I think I love some feedback now ;-) Just go through the text, please, and
change to your liking. Don't be afraid to change stuff. I SHOULD put this on
a wiki, but where?
Having a terrible headache (had no sleep tonight thanx to mosquito's and
heat) I might not continue to be productive all day, but I'll try.
--
> sebas
>
Love, jos
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On 8/25/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sebastian Kügler</b> <<a \
href="mailto:sebas@kde.org">sebas@kde.org</a>> wrote:<div><span \
class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Friday \
24 August 2007 19:41:27 Pier-Olivier Thibault wrote:<br>> Man I don't know \
where you've been in the last 6 months, but I don't recall<br>> myself \
sitting on this mailing list to just talk and not act. Spreadkde's <br>> new \
layout, <a href="http://Discover.kde.org">Discover.kde.org</a>'s current layout \
has been made by me luke and<br>> some other (Nielsvm and ark_mage2) I don't \
call this bikeshedding and<br>> tailchasing. I think the ones bikeshedding are the \
ones complaining about <br>> the work we're doing when using a public ftp to \
work on the development of<br>> the website rather than using a svn that takes 45 \
minutes to refresh the<br>> webpage(let me repeat this: 45 minutes to refresh any \
change we make in the <br>> HTML code.. that's ridiculous)<br><br>I've \
talked to Dirk about that, he said the discover simply wasn't the \
in<br>post-commit hook so it wouldn't get updated at all. I've emailed \
sysadmin<br> asking if it's fixed now.<br><br>As to the other issue: Read through \
the napoleon thread again and tell me it<br>doesn't qualify as bikeshedding. \
:></blockquote><div><br>I sure was ;-)<br><br>On the same note, I've finished \
integrating the stuff from the old site for the new one. I must say, imho it's \
much more complete now. The new text of course was supposed to be shorter, so \
I've reworded stuff often, but it IS a big step forward. Sorry for not doing this \
earlier (I didn't know how to access it, now I used websvn which worked great). \
<br><br>Anyway, it's far from ready. Sometimes a bit overdone, maybe, and \
sometimes we could elaborate more, I guess.<br><br>I think I love some feedback now \
;-) Just go through the text, please, and change to your liking. Don't be afraid \
to change stuff. I SHOULD put this on a wiki, but where? <br><br>Having a terrible \
headache (had no sleep tonight thanx to mosquito's and heat) I might not continue \
to be productive all day, but I'll try.<br></div><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
--<br>sebas<br></blockquote></div><br>Love, jos<br><br><br><br>
["discover.txt" (text/plain)]
- content needs to be ported to what's there right now (imho practically done, jos)
- content needs to be finished
* Aaron suggested to try to use the term freedom a lot all over the place, as a \
recurring theme: in the "discover *" scheme as proposed in your email, freedom is \
given an entry at the end. why not instead blend freedom into each discover page, so \
it becomes the "silent noun" to the omnipresent verb "discover"?
- I agree with this, but it still has to be done.
* Now about our target users:
Target audience is people that don't know about KDE, Free Software and what a Desktop \
is and does.
the text:
Shoud be easily understandable and to the point. No huge amounts of text should be \
there. Directly address the reader with words like "you" instead of "the user".
Current content
***********************************************
discover.kde - main page (we're still talking about this)
- What is KDE 4.0: Desktop / Free Software community, complete set of applications \
for almost every task you use a computer for
- Be KDE. (About the community that builds it, Free Software, link through to \
w.k.o/getinvolved/)
text:
The K Desktop Environment<sup>®</sup> (KDE<sup>®</sup>) is a graphical \
desktop and a set of applications. It is created by a world-wide community of people \
dedicated to create a free and user-friendly computing experience.
The KDE desktop runs on various Free operating systems, such as Linux and UNIX. There \
are various ways of trying KDE, for example Live CD's that make it possible to try \
KDE out on your computer without touching your valued data. The <a \
href="http://www.kde.org/trykde/">Try KDE!</a> page lists some of those.
- screencast with short demo (3-5 minutes max, explain the interface of the desktop \
briefly)
****************************************************
discover.integration- focusing on capabilities of plasma and some other new \
technologies integration of plasma widgets - the ability to move a clock from the \
desktop to a panel integration of communication (decibel stuff?) - something dealing \
with appointments, addresses, etc. integration integration of search (strigi) - \
something about the capabilities of the semantic search maybe something about audio \
and/or video integration KOFFICE!!!
text:
Sounds as a good way to introduce ppl to the technical part without being technical, \
but showing the advantages. Props! Maybe someone can up with a cooler name than \
integration, though. I'm not native english, so I can't really thing of anything \
other than ' discover.blending' ;-) Maybe discover.seamless?
Krita is a program that allows you to paint and edit images. Even though Krita is \
designed to be easy to use, it has many powerful tools such as polygon, bezier curve, \
and perspective transform. Since it is part of KOffice, many of Krita's capabilities \
are accessible from within other KOffice applications.
****************************************************
discover.creativity - focusing on some cool features of some KDE apps
amarok - 1 or 2 cool ways to "rediscover" your music
krita - color mixing
something about the benefits of using svg in the games?
something about the music flake?
Maybe KDENLIVE?
maybe mention the games?
text:
Discovery involves joy, wonder, and excitement. We aim to let KDE users experience \
this during their daily use of a computer! KDE provides many ways for you to \
�rediscover� the fun in life. Amarok will help you rediscover your music by \
recommending new music or creating a playlist for you thanks to it's last.fm \
integration. Professional and amateur artists rediscover the joy of painting with \
Krita's powerfull, realistic color mixer and great tablet support. Have fun with your \
digital photos with Digikam, retouching, indexing and viewing them. Rediscover your \
entertainment system through LinuxMCE with features such as starting a movie in one \
room and finishing it in another. And if you're bored, we have many cool games you \
can play, even with your friends over the internet! Imagine what else you'll \
experience while exploring the creative side of KDE!
****************************************************
discover.beauty - oxygen stuff, SVG, usability here as well?
icons
window deco
color schemes
kwin compiz style effects
gethotnewstuff - sharing themes and such? maybe this belongs to discover.friends or \
discover.creativity...
text:
The KDE community considers beauty an important feature of a User Interface. It is \
important for both aestetic and usability reasons, thus artists and usability experts \
have joined us to create a usable and good looking interface for your enjoyment. With \
the Oxygen style, including icons, wallpapers and other theme components, KDE offers \
a modern and attractive look. Our applications have been improved to make use of \
smooth animations, giving them a more natural feel. And usability engineers are \
always looking at our interface to ensure we show you things that are actually \
usefull and make sense. All this to ensure it is a JOY to work with KDE, not a CHORE!
****************************************************
discover.friends - a little bit about current friends, more about new friends (i.e., \
the KDE community), sharing - communicate from old site. existing friends - email, \
IM, etc. new friends - people that:
are just like you
want to help others
are passionate
are creative
are friendly
sharing like last.fm, collaborative editing (won't be in KDE 4.0 yet),
text:
You like to communicate and share. KDE recognizes this, and we have worked hard to \
enable you to talk to your friends, find new and interesting people and to share what \
you create with the world. We have integrated chat and communication in the desktop. \
If your friends are online, you can send them a file just by dropping it on their \
face image on your desktop. You can open a communication channel with them, and you \
don't have to care if they use MSN messenger, ICQ or any other technology - KDE \
worries about that for you. You can schedule activities with them from our Personal \
Information Management software. Just add blog plasmoid to your desktop and you'll be \
bloggin in seconds. Work with someone else on a document with KOffice, or annotate \
any document or picture with Okular and share these annotations with others. Listen \
to the music which is shared by all other people on your local network, or even over \
the internet with Amarok. KDE enables you to live your live together, not alone!
****************************************************
discover.freedom (you decide)
change themes � you decide
change applications � you decide
change operating systems � you decide
share applications � you decide
choose friends in community � you decide
text:
KDE is Free Software developed by a world-wide community. This means for you, the \
user, that KDE software is developed based on the user's needs, not on some companies \
revenue model or some government's hidden agenda. KDE does what you want -- if you \
want it to not obey DRM rules: That's your choice! If you want to have a certain \
feature added to KDE -- the community of contributors is open for your suggestions. \
You can run it where, when and how you want and share it with other people.
***************************************************
discover.education or discover.learn - what has KDE to offer in learning and \
education about education and KDE
text:
KDE has plenty of applications that make it the perfect software package for \
computers in schools and computers that are used for learning and training various \
skills. From young children to students, the KDE-Edu suite has applications to \
support the learning process. For deploying KDE in schools, <a \
href="http://www.skolelinux.no/en/">Skolelinux</a> can deliver a complete and \
well-integrated software package.
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