From kde-promo Fri Jun 16 21:39:48 2006 From: "Aaron J. Seigo" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:39:48 +0000 To: kde-promo Subject: Re: [kde-promo] Take a look at Linux1.no Message-Id: <200606161539.50107.aseigo () kde ! org> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-promo&m=115049401204260 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============0378795543==" --===============0378795543== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3954051.avCAFAfxjF"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart3954051.avCAFAfxjF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 16 June 2006 12:30, Birger Kollstrand wrote: > Fredag 16 juni 2006 00:38, skrev Aaron J. Seigo: > But you do miss a point again. This is the site norwegian newcommers are > finding very early. They are met with a pro Gnome atitude. I prefere the > KDE environment to grow. if this was a mature market where the size of the market itself isn't growi= ng=20 your statement here that implies that for KDE to grow GNOME must suffer wou= ld=20 make sense. reality is that for the next decade or so both can grow at thei= r=20 own pace without stumbling into each other over a fight for scarce resource= s=20 (users). > The oops is about the actual current profile which=20 > is leaning towards Gnome. Not to cheat the poll. i wasn't implying you should "cheat the poll". nor am i saying "don't worry= =20 about it". what i -am- saying is that that particular site evidently has a= =20 very small user base compared to probable size of desktop linux users in=20 norway. in other words, the solution is to simply get more kde content and more=20 kde-friendly people on that site. > > well, it's better than if most of the users were going MacOS or Windows > > =3D) we really try not to encourage a "KDE against GNOME" mentality as = it > > too often just devolves into squabbling and embarrassing events and mak= es > > the whole open source desktop community look bad (hello /.) ... > > You and I will not agree on this issue. I think we should market KDE > against Gnome. Especially in the tech heavy environments. negative campaigning and comparative marketing are two of the weakest forms= of=20 marketing one can do. and in this case it also sends out a very negative=20 message to those who aren't already using kde or gnome. it also severely=20 damages our (KDE's) ability to network in the industry at large and engage= =20 usefully (for KDE) in efforts such as freedesktop.org. in other words,=20 the "anti-GNOME" approach that has been tried at times in the past has caus= ed=20 real and non-negligable damage to the project. much/most of it has been fix= ed=20 now, but it's taken us a few years to do that. it is absolutely fatal for us to engage in a marketing war against each oth= er=20 at this time. but good news! we have >1% and <5% of market share right now. that means th= at=20 95-99% of people in a given area aren't using any open source desktop. so=20 target those people with positive messages about kde. they don't have any=20 position either way (kde or gnome) so give them reasons to make kde their=20 selection. if we target the non-linux users more successfully than other=20 people then we will end up with quite a nice share of the market. > > so in other words, be helpful, positive and pro-active. people gravitate > > towards such things naturally. > > I do find this very naive. and yet it works. > > and spite. if that isn't part of the equation, however, people will > > choose what works best for them ... and those are the users we want. > > They actually need to get good adcvice on what is best for them. yes. which is essentially what i said as well =3D) > Now I ask again: > Is there a god "10 points" to convince a new user to choose KDE when they > want to try Linux? i agree with Kurt: pick your own favourite points. note that it's what appe= als=20 to you, you'll come across a lot more effectively in conversation. for me, i often note things like: - kde is the most popular free / open source software desktop (most people= =20 find comfort in numbers ;) - it's flexible while remaining usable. it doesn't try and limit what you = can=20 do so that you can acclompish whatever it is you need to get done. - you'll find our technology used in a lot of other places, such as in Mac= OS=20 X (webbrowser, sherlock when it was around, nokia phones, etc) which says a= =20 lot about the quality of our software - we have an amazing user community as you can see at kde-look.org,=20 kde-apps.org and our user mailing lists. - cool stuff? you bet! superkaramba, amarok, print to pdf in every app tha= t=20 prints, a truly useful file dialog, konqueror (the best filemanager out=20 there, period), kio (show people how to use fish.. that's an instant winner= ),=20 dcop and more ... - apps are generally consistent. e.g. there's exactly one way in all kde a= pps=20 to configure toolbars and set keyboard shortcuts. print dialogs are the sam= e=20 in every app. etc, etc. .. this means you don't have to learn as much. - if you use desktop linux, you're probably going to end up using kde apps= =20 anyways like k3b or amarok. if you use them inside a kde desktop they start= =20 faster and use less total memory on your system. - for developers we simply have the best development tools: designer,=20 kdevelop, kde frontends to valgrind, build systems, nice APIs, etc... - if you need calendaring and email combined, it's hard to be kontact. thi= s=20 is a highlight example of the integration in kde since kontact is actually= =20 half a dozen individual apps all cooperating behind the scenes to create on= e=20 full groupware app: you can even run the components separately (kmail,=20 korganizer, kaddressbook, etc)! and of course the integration doesn't stop= =20 there: kontact happens to integrate very nicely with the kopete instant=20 messenger. but that's just me and i don't use all the above in every situation. it's=20 highly dependant on the person / people. were i to put together a static website with "10 points" i'd probably start= by=20 doing separate lists for different categories: media, business use, content= =20 creation, enthusiasts, free software advocates, etc ... > Supporting the evangelists can't be bad Aaron. was that what i said? no. i didn't answer the question immediately because= =20 there was a much more important attitude to nip in the bud.=20 but just for fun , let me see if i can work this into a real flame war: you= r=20 mother smells of elderberries! oooooh, zing! =2D-=20 Aaron J. 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