From kde-promo Fri Jun 09 16:37:31 2006 From: Arne Babenhauserheide Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:37:31 +0000 To: kde-promo Subject: Re: [kde-promo] Who do we target, Message-Id: <200606091837.35038.arne_bab () yahoo ! de> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-promo&m=114987115329497 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============1921119386==" --===============1921119386== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1927037.GvCBeVue9v"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1927037.GvCBeVue9v Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just looked through old posts, and I realized, I never said "wow".=20 So I'll do it now.=20 Wow!=20 Quite a deep analysis, I think.=20 Thanks!=20 Arne Am Freitag 24 M=E4rz 2006 03:31 schrieb Danil Dotsenko: > Thursday 23 March 2006 14:00 Sebastian K=FCgler: > > Triple-, I think. "What is KDE for {users|developers|companies}?", very > > roughly? > > I thought this was discussed many times already. :) > > The "developers / companies" divide may be misleading, because both groups > are "developers." You probably meant "Enthusiast developers / Commercial > developers" > > Just for practice I brainstormed a bit. (Business degree here :) ) Then, > added KDE-centric analysis to it. > (Declaimer: This is a VERY general judgment) > > I. USERS > I.a. "OS is somewhat irrelevant, what matters is what I can do on it." > I.b. "Yet, if I ask my neighbor about some problem with computer, he bett= er > be familiar with it." > I.c. "How easily can I get it (KDE, linux, whatever), and how soon will it > start doing what I want (chat; steal music from net; search for porno; > check out shoes, handbags and cosmetics; run the Tax software, be able to > fill out those government PDF forms)?" > > KDE-centric view on "USERS": > I.a. Screenshots and semi-centralized (for ease of searching) / edited > blogs about the multitude of programs and uses of KDE are needed. There w= as > the "KDE Mag" idea thrown around. A mag, or a User-centric planet-kde-like > stream would do wanders. After I am done with my CFA exam (4 june) I will > start "KDE World Software Gems" series on my blog. If it gets picked up by > either, better. We need to show the breadth of uses. A lot of this thinki= ng > went into the KDE 3.5.x screenshots I am helping with. > I.b. We need to say to people "KDE has millions of "neighbors" on-line > now." Aside from forums.kde.org, there are lots of distro-centric forums, > that are usually much more useful in solving KDE issues. (linuxquestion.o= rg > for Slackware for example) We can list them next to the distro list > discussed earlier. > I.c. See the distro list discussed under "KDE banners and such stuff" for > "How to get it easily?" See I.a. for the rest" > All-in-all, the picture is relatively good. The problem is no many users > know about it. > > II. ENTHUSIAST DEVELOPER: > II.a. "Give me full control, yet make it easier to get the project done!" > II.b. "Make sure that whatever I write will be accessible and liked by as > many users as possible =3D boundless sense of accomplishment and/or credi= ts / > experience toward that actual, PAID job." > II.c. "I want a free platform that allows me to show quickly full extent = of > my ingenuity and skills" > > KDE-centric view on "ENTHUSIAST DEVELOPER": > II.a. Sold. Any detractors? Just look on kde-apps and you get the picture. > II.b see II.a. Need more "enthusiast to paid developer / associated > commercial success" stories. I hope we have them. > II.c. See II.a. > The picture is the best of all platforms. Lets keep it up. > > III. NICHE MARKET (relatively smaller volumes) COMMERCIAL DEV: > (CAD joints like Autodesk, large Accounting / CRM package joints, to some > degree Adobe) > III.a. "If I write for a platform, it is better to be stable (less support > issues), or controlled by me (can predict and control support issues)" "If > I write high-price software, the cost of OS is irrelevant. The user will > run the OS I tell them to run." > > KDE-centric view on "NICHE MARKET COMMERCIAL DEV:" > III.a. "Stable and controllable" may be achieved with RedHat and Suse-like > platforms and "community-based" stable platforms to only a small degree. > Stability of a platform is usually measured by money behind it. RedHat is > pretty much a lost cause, they gave up on "Linux on desktop" long time ag= o. > Suse's 10.1 is shaping up to be the best-featured KDE (imo) PRO linux > desktop. This hissy-feat crap about "we are not No1 there" has to stop. > Otherwise, we will stop being even No2. KDE devs have to hide their > religious disgust with Novel, because you are the only people who are > disgusted about it. Engage instead. Better for us all. We have to stop > spitting in the hand that feeds many of us. The hand has its dignity too. > Once, again, we return to "plugging" the "KDE-friendly" distros on the > kde.org web site. > The picture here is muddy. We need segregate less-emotional people into a > "business face" group. > > IV. MASS MARKET (larger volumes, lower prices) COMMERCIAL DEV: > (Intuit, what used to be Macromedia, thousand ISVs that write custom DB > frontends for places like real estate, medical offices.) > IV.a. "we write for the platform our potential client will have all his > other software on. So, if they use MS Office (crap load of offices use > Excel spreadsheets tweaked out with macros in VB for example) for it's > core, we will try to augment and build around that. Not, revolutionize." > > KDE-centric view on "MASS MARKET COMMERCIAL DEV:" > IV.a. With KDE 3.x no chance we can promote to them. It's the already > discussed issue of "Do I code for QT (multiplatform) or KDE (not)?" Many > commercial-oriented projects just went with QT. > With the "XML-based signaling of supported features" and KDE/QT > "transparency" idea that came up for 4 series we have a HUGE opportunity = to > make any QT multi-platform app - a KDE "native" app. We really need to > prepare to promote that like there's no tomorrow. It really saves us from > having to port kdelibs to Windows. > The picture here, presently sucks, but looks awesome 2 years down the lin= e. > Let's hope we don't die by then. =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein Hei=DFt politsch sein Ohne es zu merken.=20 =2D Arne Babenhauserheide ( http://draketo.de ) --nextPart1927037.GvCBeVue9v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEiaPOMwdGm/6WxAQRAtKoAJwOnnkWOKV4SG0uey/G4de9C8FGPgCeNzpo vRUPlvTTBFpmGN0wuGODqhQ= =Llyu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1927037.GvCBeVue9v-- ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de --===============1921119386== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ This message is from the kde-promo mailing list. 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