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List:       kde-pim
Subject:    Re: [Kde-pim] From a users point of view ....
From:       Martin Steigerwald <Martin () lichtvoll ! de>
Date:       2012-02-23 21:11:25
Message-ID: 201202232211.25816.Martin () lichtvoll ! de
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Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012 schrieb Denny:
> Am Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012, 13:52:45 schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> > Dear Denny,
> > =

> > Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Denny:
> > > I could spent the whole day fixing new appearing Errors and Crashes
> > > of kde - pim.
> > > Is this just broken by design or why isn't there a working email
> > > client for at least 4 years?
> > > I thought with KDE 4.7.x we were over it and at least basic things
> > > kinda worked stable again.
> > > With KDE 4.8 now - nothing is working anymore, just to name a few
> > > things annoying one one on a daily basis:
> > > - Filters: broken
> > > - Crashes : several per day
> > > - email Addresses not recognised as you type
> > > - password management : broken
> > > - several empty windows popping up from ktimetracke at login ....
> > > =

> > > Am I supposed to create a new profile each and every time I upgrade
> > > to a new version and scrap all my data?
> > =

> > I understand your frustration.
> > =

> > I also find it highly frustrating when software I do use for daily
> > work does not work as I expect.
> > =

> > While I understand your feelings I do think that the accusing tone I
> > perceive in your mail does not contribute in any way to make your
> > experience better.
> > =

> > So by any means there is nothing wrong with your feelings. Feel them,
> > express them.
> > =

> > But please do not accuse anyone else for the pain you suffer.
> > =

> > Some of your options to get a different experience are in my opinion:
> > =

> > 1) Ask how you can help to make it happen that KDEPIM 2 holds up to
> > your expectations.
> =

> I that.

?
 =

> > 2) Use a different mail client.
> =

> While I really liked kontact and believe in the idea to share data
> across various applications, I would not like leave, like many people
> did in last month.
> Besides that, unfortunately it's not that easy. Besides the hassle to
> get everything transfered and set up, and learned to use it - there is
> just not much choice:
> 1. Outlook : windows only
> 2. Apple Mail : yep, this is my backup email program when kontact
> doesn't work. btw: version upgrades no problem, slick ,easy nice to
> use , but mac os only
> 3. evolution : hm, maybe
> 4. thunderbird : if nothing else exists, but looks relly ugly under kde
> and cluttered
> 5. Lotus Notes :
> 6. Chandler : looks very interesting and promising - not develped
> anymore since 2009
> ....
> I spent some time the past few days searching for an alternative, so, I
> would love find one.

Did I get it right that you think that all other mail clients are even =

less suitable for you? Are they broken by design?

Sorry could not resist this one.

That aside:

How about KDEPIM 4.4.5? You should be able to use your existing data with =

it.

> > 3) Or use a distro that means stable when saying stable such as
> > Debian Stable.
> > A distro that still carries KDEPIM 1 as of 4.4.5. Even the
> > development branches of Debian namely Wheezy and Sid - when you feel
> > adventurous - seem to be rather stable to me and still carry KDEPIM 1
> > for now. With Debian Stable you can still use KDEPIM 1 for at least
> > one and a half year, in my estimation at least two years to come. Of
> > cause there may be other distributions like maybe Centos that may
> > carry old KDEPIM even longer.
> =

> Chancing a distro is not really an option, although they are all linux,
> there are still differences one has to get used to again.

Doing a decision to relieve your frustration with KDEPIM 2 by using =

another distro with KDEPIM 1 or using a different mail client is not an =

option for you?

Then I see two options for you:

1) Try to compile KDEPIM 4.4.5 for yourself.

2) Help to make KDEPIM 2 rock for you.

You might not know the exact steps for any of the two options, but I am =

sure they can be learned.

But insisting on "I am not willing to change" while demanding that KDEPIM =

developers make your KDEPIM life comfortable again will not help you much =

in my opinion.

Don=B4t get me wrong. I do think its important to stabilize KDEPIM 2. But =

from what I can see KDEPIM and Nepomuk developers are already working on =

it. If you want to speed up the process either help or pay for =

developments and bugfixing. Otherwise it will take the time it takes until =

KDEPIM 2 is ready and no repeated complaining here will contribute =

anything to reduce that time by even one second.

If you found a new issue that is not yet reported or known by all means =

report it, but otherwise either help, bear with it or use an older KDEPIM =

release or another mail client.

Thanks,
-- =

Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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