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On Sunday 11 December 2011, Niels Ole Salscheider wrote:
> CC'ing kde-telepathy@kde.org
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>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> while it is "cool" from a technical point of view to see some efforts
> to integrate Facebook & Co. into KDE SC, I think that we, as a
> community around free software, should try to integrate a social
> network built around open standards, too.
>=20
> Given the recent move of discussions to Google+ in the open source
> community, there seems to be a demand for social networks (even
> though I am happy with mailing lists, blogs and IRC). But after all,
> Google+ is not much better than Facebook: Google might be friendlier
> towards the open source world but it is a closed network built
> around proprietary technologies after all.
>=20
> Unfortunately, there are not any good alternatives. While there are
> many small projects trying to solve this issue, none of these is big
> enough to gain momentum and become a real competitor to Facebook &
> Co.
>=20
> Because of that, I want to propose to push for a social network based
> on XMPP (maybe reusing the efforts done by OneSocialWeb) and
> integrate it well into KDE SC (really well, not just the obvious
> stuff). The reason why it should use XMPP is that there are already
> many mail providers offering XMPP based chat services and I bet that
> these providers would like to offer social network extensions, too,
> if there was an easy way. Each provider alone does not have a big
> market share; but considering that about half of my friends that are
> not open source related use an email provider that offers XMPP (GMX,
> web.de, 1&1, Google Mail, ...), the complete network could have
> enough members to gain momentum.
>=20
> Of course, this will not happen if we do not work together with other
> projects: We need to get together with the OneSocialWeb team so that
> they finish their XEPs (maybe even help them and make suggestions
> how to improve the drafts). We also need the important XMPP servers
> (ejabberd, ...) to support it and to find a project that wants to
> improve the web interface OSW started to implement. Meanwhile we
> should implement the draft in KDE SC, too (this might actually be an
> unique selling point for both, KDE SC (5) and XMPP/OSW).
>=20
> I know there might be reservation to put effort into such a project
> until the standards are finished and there are enough users. But if
> we do not show commitment and work simultaneously on this, each
> project will just wait for the others to take a step and nothing
> will ever happen.
> I cannot promise that this will work out but I think that it is our
> only chance to build a real alternative to the closed social
> networks. And I am confident that we could win quite an amount of
> users, at least in the open source community and from the mail
> providers already offering XMPP.
>=20
> What do you think?

I really don't want to discourage you, but why don't you simply get your=20
hands dirty and start hacking on what you are talking about and then=20
come back to us when you do actually have something to show. Making big=20
plans is not really how Free Software works most of the time. "Have a=20
look at what I did ..." often works. "Let's do ..." almost never works.

Note that in KDE "We should ..." is always understood as "I will ...".=20
Nowhere in your long message you say "I will ...". If you are not=20
willing to invest a large amount of your time in this project then you=20
can stop right here.


Regards,
Ingo

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