From kde-pim  Wed Dec 06 13:55:19 2006
From: Allen Winter <winter () kde ! org>
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:55:19 +0000
To: kde-pim
Subject: [Kde-pim] Fwd: Re:  tagging in KDEPim
Message-Id: <200612060855.20126.winter () kde ! org>
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On Wednesday 06 December 2006 00:11, Allen Winter wrote:
> [[ Sebastian, are you subscribed to kde-pim?  Or should we CC you
> separately? ]]
>
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2006 06:02:20 PM Tom Albers wrote:
> > Op di 5 dec 2006 17:59 schreef u:
> > > How does the tagging work? In particular, how well does it work across
> > > different machines?  I work a lot on my laptop, and probably even more
> > > on my office machine. I definitely don't want to have different tagging
> > > on these machines.
> >
> > A brief look at http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36322
> > looks like it is not storing it on the imap server meaning you can not
> > see the labels on another machine. (but it was only a brief look, could
> > be wrong).
>
> Correct.
> But I'm missing why it is such a big issue.
> The tags are stored in the mail index.
>
> > If this is true,
> > I would not advise to port it to KMail, but that is just mho.
>
> How does Nepomuk work?

Ok, well the Nepomuk system intends to realize meta information (this includes 
tags and annotations for starters) accross applications on the desktop and 
accross a p2p network (but that is for later). The data is stored in a local 
RDF store so no, it would not directly use IMAP tagging. But it would not be 
a problem to sync the tags in Nepomuk with the IMAP tags to be able to do 
things like a fast desktop search for tags which would then return emails, 
files, contacts, whatever you want. The thing is that with Nepomuk we don't 
want to tag ONLY emails but everything there is on the desktop (I am starting 
with the most obvious, i.e. files and emails though).

So the idea is to store the email tags in the RDF store from KMail (that is 
actually very simple:

Nepomuk::KMetaData::EMail email( <imapid> );
email.addTag( "sometesttag" );

and you are done. Auto syncing takes care of everything else. So adding 
Nepomuk tagging support in addition to native IMAP tags would be very simple 
and have the advantage of having this information available all over the 
desktop.

> > > So the tags somehow should be stored on the server (IMAP
> > > annotations?)
> >
> > Yes. Imap supports labels, just like "deleted" is nothing more than a
> > label. Thunderbird and another mail client (*cough*) support this. Which
> > is also convenient when you have a shared folder and want to easily
> > devide the mails between more people.
>
> But what about us non-IMAP folks?
>
>
> Honestly, I don't know much about this subject, other than the fact that
> I like to be able to set custom tags and I really want to be able to have
> virtual search folders representing a collection of messages belonging
> to a custom tag.  And it would be great to be able to have similar tags
> across the various PIM apps (knode, akregator, etc)


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