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List:       kde-panel-devel
Subject:    D13481: Recommend window border size "None"
From:       Nathaniel Graham <noreply () phabricator ! kde ! org>
Date:       2018-06-20 21:39:09
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ngraham added a comment.


  In D13481#280767 <https://phabricator.kde.org/D13481#280767>, @romangg wrote:
  
  > What I thought of as a solution back when it happened was to check if it's a \
single click on the dead zone without mouse movement, then activate the window below. \
Since if you want to use the virtual border, you would move the mouse after press to \
drag. Not sure if it's worth it since as said, never disturbed my work flow \
afterwards again.  
  
  What you propose is an intriguing idea and I rather like it. Might be a nice little \
touch. That said, macOS has had borderless windows and an external resize area since \
OS X Lion (released in 2011) and even they don't implement anything like that. Clicks \
get eaten in the "dead zone" there too.  
  Since that time--and including 7 years working as an Apple engineer--I don't recall \
encountering a single a piece of negative user feedback about this. I don't think \
it's an issue in real life. So your proposal is certainly a "nice-to-have", but I \
don't think it's a "must have" before we can proceed here.

REPOSITORY
  R31 Breeze

REVISION DETAIL
  https://phabricator.kde.org/D13481

To: romangg, #plasma, #vdg
Cc: ngraham, davidedmundson, graesslin, abetts, mart, plasma-devel, ragreen, Pitel, \
ZrenBot, lesliezhai, ali-mohamed, jensreuterberg, sebas, apol


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<div style="margin: 0;
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          color: rgb(107, 116, 140);"><p>What I thought of as a solution back when it \
happened was to check if it&#039;s a single click on the dead zone without mouse \
movement, then activate the window below. Since if you want to use the virtual \
border, you would move the mouse after press to drag. Not sure if it&#039;s worth it \
since as said, never disturbed my work flow afterwards again.</p></div> </blockquote>

<p>What you propose is an intriguing idea and I rather like it. Might be a nice \
little touch. That said, macOS has had borderless windows and an external resize area \
since OS X Lion (released in 2011) and even they don&#039;t implement anything like \
that. Clicks get eaten in the &quot;dead zone&quot; there too.</p>

<p>Since that time--and including 7 years working as an Apple engineer--I don&#039;t \
recall encountering a single a piece of negative user feedback about this. I \
don&#039;t think it&#039;s an issue in real life. So your proposal is certainly a \
&quot;nice-to-have&quot;, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;must have&quot; \
before we can proceed here.</p></div></div><br \
/><div><strong>REPOSITORY</strong><div><div>R31 Breeze</div></div></div><br \
/><div><strong>REVISION DETAIL</strong><div><a \
href="https://phabricator.kde.org/D13481">https://phabricator.kde.org/D13481</a></div></div><br \
/><div><strong>To: </strong>romangg, Plasma, VDG<br /><strong>Cc: </strong>ngraham, \
davidedmundson, graesslin, abetts, mart, plasma-devel, ragreen, Pitel, ZrenBot, \
lesliezhai, ali-mohamed, jensreuterberg, sebas, apol<br /></div>



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