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Subject:    Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout
From:       Sebastian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCgler?= <sebas () kde ! org>
Date:       2018-03-05 16:27:27
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Today's minutes!
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sebas

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Plasma Team meeting, 05-03-2018

Present: notmart, kbroulik, romangg, Sho_, psifidotos, bshah, d_ed

notmart:
* more bugfixes connected to preloading
* more work on card component, taken a lot of time due to funny qqc2 bugs, \
                most of the week on that
* implemented new idea for devicenotifier dismissal, almost same behavior \
as notification applet for timeouts autohide and stuff it's pretty much it \
as i spent days trying to solve a binding loop in that component and then \
                discovered it's endemic in qqc2 itself, "sweet"
* https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-66826

kbroulik:
* Ported remaining places in plasmashell from own QML Engine to shared \
                engine (applet alternatives, OSD, shell handler)
* Drop job now creates a proper Trash link when dropping trash:/, makes it \
easier for users to get back Trash on desktop now that we removed it by \
                default
* Did major refactoring to gmenu-dbusmenu-proxy
** Now has heuristic for menu icons, supports check boxes and radio buttons \
                in menus
** It's now good to be merged imho, want to have d_ed's final opinion on \
                it, though
** https://phabricator.kde.org/D10461
Diff 10461 "GMenu-DBusMenu-Proxy" [Accepted] \
                https://phabricator.kde.org/D10461
* Various fixes
** Recent documents using desktop file name (e.g. org.kde.kate) instead of \
                app name (kate), D10863 will merge soon
** Tried to fix device notifier not properly reflecting mounting/unmounting \
                progress, D10858 but didn't fix it fully
** Please have a look at D10769 and D10571 and D10686 and D9141
Diff 10863 "[KRecentDocument] Use QGuiApplication::desktopFileName()" \
[Accepted] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10863 Diff 10858 "[Solid Device \
Engine] Connect device signals initially" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10858 Diff 10769 "[Dialog] Remove now obsolete \
KWindowSystem::setState calls" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10769 Diff 10571 "[AppletAppearance] Remove d \
QtObject" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10571 Diff 10686 \
"[DesktopNotifier] Notify change for any link to trash:/" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10686 Diff 9141 "Setup QQmlEngine only once in \
QmlObject" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D9141

romangg:
Currently looking into a solution for D10032. I have created some patches \
D11049 and D11050 for that Diff 10032 "Swap play/pause icons in \
mediacontroller plasmoid" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10032 \
Diff 11049 "Remove frame around media action icons" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D11049 Diff 11050 "Remove frames around media \
buttons" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D11050 Then another \
icon for status only. Today is the day to report on the HIG rework. Shall \
we do this now?

Sho:
* [SM] Did a Simple Menu release with some fixes and optimizations
** Touchscreen launch now works
** Item highlight deco stays when opening context menu
** Lighter delegates
** Some other tiny fixes
* [SM] Nate Graham is making a new menu based on SM, talked with him about \
requirements for the Kicker backend rewrite and some PlasmaComponents \
                issues he ran into, etc.
* [TM] Spent some time trying to debug why the TM tooltip sometimes shows a \
window thumb too many (dupe), but walked away unsuccessfully and with other \
tooltip issues (e.g. various racy ReferenceErrors) so far - not liking this \
                code ...
* [Kirigami] Progress on my KMessageWidget thingie (mostly got stumped by \
learning how Kirigami organizes source for a bit), hopefully ready this \
                week, followed by the Language KCM Qt Quick port using it
* [Other] Dealing with merging a bunch of Phabs submitted by irregular \
                contributors
* [Sprint] Poke status:
** Nate Graham confirmed
** Shawn Rutledge (Qt) a possibility
** Drew DeVault (Sway) a possibility
** Ikey Doherty (Budgie) a possibility
** Michail Vourlakos (Latte) n/a
** Alex Nemeth (Blur patches) n/a
** Bhushan poked a Halium person to come, I think they are
** Who knows someone at LXqt we can poke?

psifidotos:
* small fix for trash applet, it was missing a return statement
* [Latte] release v0.7.4 and remove a font that was used internally for the \
                trademark
* [Latte] I drew new image patterns for editing mode
* [Latte] find a way to alter a panel presentation in order to colorize it \
                in monochrome for better contrast with the desktop \
                background
* [Latte] fixed all known wayland crashes
* [Latte] improve context menus appearance under wayland
* [Latte] use taskmanager way of activating tasks in order to activate \
                surrounding applets
* [Latte] improve the use of mouse wheel for audio badges in order to \
increase/decrease stream volume

bshah:
 Got my visa for plasma sprint (you won't see me crying about visa for \
                whole year now :p as I got 1 year valid visa)
- Worked on pinebook imaging refactor (4h build time v/s 30 mins build \
                time)
- working on qt 5.10 based Plasma Mobile images
- Refined the fix for building kwin on GLES platforms

sebas:
* finished prototype of rotation plasmoid (allows autorotation in X11)
    * works quite well but needs code improvements: calling xinput binary \
right now, need to figure out how to use libinput for that, that alone \
                seems worthwhile to know
    * makes my tent mode laptop really useful now
* kscreen OSD layout picker merged with dvratil
* kscreen now reacts to display button with OSD (bug #390096)
* to continue kscreen KCM QtQuick rewrite
* book find a place in Berlin to sleep for plasmoids :)




The Log:

[12:00:53] <notmart> meeting?
[12:01:04] <kbroulik> yup
[12:01:26] <jgrulich> well, the only problem I have with QQuickView is that \
listview with connections overflows the main window [12:01:36] <sebas> moin
[12:01:38] <sebas> yes
[12:01:53] <sebas> Who else is here?
[12:02:01] <romangg> here
[12:02:04] <notmart> here
[12:02:06] <Sho_> here
[12:02:12] <Sho_> also there
[12:02:15] <Sho_> ~everywhere~
[12:02:17] <kbroulik> here
[12:02:23] <sebas> Sho_ dances
[12:02:31] <psifidotos> hello everyone
[12:02:44] <Sho_> I went to Japan on the weekend so now I'm all anime-style \
metaphysical n shit [12:02:53] <sebas> Alright, let's start then :) \
notmart, kbroulik, jgrulich, romangg, Sho_, psifidotos [12:02:54] <Sho_> \
hey psifidotos [12:03:04] <psifidotos> :)
[12:03:08] -*- sebas went to a techno party, a baby shower and a spa this \
weekend [12:03:10] <bshah> here
[12:03:16] <sebas> so I'm all ... random all over the place :D
[12:03:25] <sebas> notmart: you may go ahead
[12:03:34] -*- jgrulich is not participating in the meeting :)
[12:03:41] -*- notmart went to elections, which the populist right won and \
i'm depressed now [12:03:43] <sebas> jgrulich: okay, just tried to rope you \
in :) [12:03:52] <notmart> just finishing my scant notes
[12:03:53] <sebas> notmart: next time, do the techno party
[12:03:57] <notmart> yeah
[12:03:58] -*- kbroulik rode 80km bicycle on the weekend for fun
[12:04:26] <Sho_> I'm waiting to get my bike out of storage again, temps \
are aaaaalmost there now [12:04:29] <notmart> so, real stuff
[12:04:32] <notmart> * more bugfixes connected to preloading
[12:04:33] <Sho_> but the windchill after dark is still bad
[12:04:34] <notmart> * more work on card component, taken a lot of time due \
to funny qqc2 bugs, most of the week on that [12:04:35] <notmart> * \
implemented new idea for devicenotifier dismissal, almost same behavior as \
notification applet for timeouts autohide and stuff [12:04:57] <Sho_> if \
it's almost the same, can we generify it and uplift it into the lib? \
[12:05:17] <notmart> it's pretty much it as i spent days trying to solve a \
binding loop in that component and then discovered it's endemic in qqc2 \
itself, "sweet" [12:05:26] <notmart> \
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-66826 [12:05:50] <Sho_> (anyone tried \
the new bindings explorer in gammaray yet?) [12:06:03] <notmart> oooh, not \
yet, that's tasty [12:06:27] <Sho_> i think it needs qt 5.11
[12:06:35] <Sho_> i they added new qt quick api it needed
[12:06:55] <notmart> oh, another full qt rebuild next them meh :)
[12:07:05] <notmart> aanyways, next?
[12:07:09] <Sho_> did you see my question about the dismissal stuff?
[12:07:14] <Sho_> sorry, it was in the middle there
[12:07:33] <kbroulik> notmart: full qt build? takes me 12 minutes *brag* ;)
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[12:09:26] <Sho_> next was kbroulik
[12:09:30] <kbroulik> * Ported remaining places in plasmashell from own QML \
Engine to shared engine (applet alternatives, OSD, shell handler) \
[12:09:34] <kbroulik> * Drop job now creates a proper Trash link when \
dropping trash:/, makes it easier for users to get back Trash on desktop \
now that we removed it by default [12:09:39] <kbroulik> * Did major \
refactoring to gmenu-dbusmenu-proxy [12:09:39] <kbroulik> ** Now has \
heuristic for menu icons, supports check boxes and radio buttons in menus \
[12:09:39] <kbroulik> ** It's now good to be merged imho, want to have \
d_ed's final opinion on it, though [12:09:39] <kbroulik> ** \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10461 [12:09:41] <sKreamer> Diff 10461 \
"GMenu-DBusMenu-Proxy" [Accepted] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10461 \
[12:09:46] <kbroulik> * Various fixes [12:09:46] <kbroulik> ** Recent \
documents using desktop file name (e.g. org.kde.kate) instead of app name \
(kate), D10863 will merge soon [12:09:46] <kbroulik> ** Tried to fix device \
notifier not properly reflecting mounting/unmounting progress, D10858 but \
didn't fix it fully [12:09:46] <kbroulik> ** Please have a look at D10769 \
and D10571 and D10686 and D9141 [12:09:47] <sKreamer> Diff 10863 \
"[KRecentDocument] Use QGuiApplication::desktopFileName()" [Accepted] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10863 [12:09:47] <sKreamer> Diff 10858 "[Solid \
Device Engine] Connect device signals initially" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10858 [12:09:47] <sKreamer> Diff 10769 \
"[Dialog] Remove now obsolete KWindowSystem::setState calls" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10769 [12:09:47] <sKreamer> Diff 10571 \
"[AppletAppearance] Remove d QtObject" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10571 [12:09:49] <sKreamer> Diff 10686 \
"[DesktopNotifier] Notify change for any link to trash:/" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10686 [12:09:52] <sKreamer> Diff 9141 "Setup \
QQmlEngine only once in QmlObject" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D9141 [12:09:56] <notmart> Sho_: whops, i \
didn't [12:10:11] <kbroulik> questions || next
[12:10:14] <Sho_> notmart, later :)
[12:10:44] <d_ed> kbroulik: I'll try to take a look today
[12:10:49] <kbroulik> thx
[12:12:00] <sebas> romangg: is next
[12:12:03] <notmart> i'll look at them as well
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[12:12:53] <romangg> Currently looking into a solution for D10032. I have \
created some patches D11049 and D11050 for that [12:12:54] <sKreamer> Diff \
10032 "Swap play/pause icons in mediacontroller plasmoid" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10032 [12:12:54] <sKreamer> Diff 11049 "Remove \
frame around media action icons" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D11049 [12:12:54] <sKreamer> Diff 11050 "Remove \
frames around media buttons" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D11050 [12:13:02] <Sho_> i'm gonna totally \
ignore them and give them a cold shoulder (it's the good cop/bad cop \
approach) [12:13:14] <romangg> Then another icon for status only.
[12:13:38] <romangg> Today is the day to report on the HIG rework. Shall we \
do this now? [12:13:57] <bshah> breakout?
[12:14:22] <romangg> Hmm, I have to leave soon.
[12:14:30] <romangg> But maybe fabian__ can do this after the meeting?
[12:14:34] <Sho_> let's do it now, the HIG is important
[12:14:37] <Sho_> imho
[12:14:49] <Sho_> unless it takes like two hours
[12:14:50] <romangg> second this :D
[12:14:51] <Sho_> ;)
[12:14:55] <romangg> no, not at all!
[12:14:57] <Sho_> but romangg promised he has to go soon
[12:15:01] <Sho_> ;)
[12:15:19] <romangg> So we created a Phab project with help of bshah: \
https://phabricator.kde.org/project/profile/264/ [12:15:43] <romangg> we \
also have a domain and a Git repo. [12:15:53] <romangg> We do it with \
Sphinx and reST as fabian__ suggested. [12:16:09] <romangg> fabian__ was \
also very engaged on porting current pages from the wiki to the repo. \
[12:16:23] <romangg> you can see the repo here: \
https://cgit.kde.org/websites/hig-kde-org.git/ [12:16:25] <sebas> what's \
the purpose of the HIG rework? [12:16:44] <romangg> and by that the web \
adress is here: https://hig.kde.org/ (in development) [12:17:19] <romangg> \
Do you want to explain the reasons fabian__? In the end all was your idea \
and I just chimed in to push it forward. [12:18:09] <fabian__> for one we \
wanted to have a review process on the HIG pages [12:18:39] <fabian__> then \
the current hig was not very user friednly, no seach, no global toc that is \
alwys visible, ... [12:19:06] <fabian__> bulk upload of images was \
problematic [12:19:24] <sebas> Ah, so it moves to phab as a whole, or still \
a wiki, or ...? [12:19:46] <-- leszek \
(~leszek@aftr-37-201-241-23.unity-media.net) has quit (Quit: Konversation \
terminated!) [12:19:48] <sebas> (I'm not criticizing at all, just \
interested what's going on, I missed this when I was on vacation) \
[12:20:36] <fabian__> no it moving out of a wiki to sphinx (use eg, by the \
linux kernel, python, blender, ...) . [12:20:50] <fabian__> you can write \
pages in reStructuredText, a plain text format, [12:20:56] <sebas> sphinx \
is a content management platform? [12:21:06] <fabian__> the pages are in \
https://cgit.kde.org/websites/hig-kde-org.git/ [12:21:10] <romangg> Phab \
would be then the tool to organize the work around this git repo. \
[12:21:15] <fabian__> and sphinx creates static html pages [12:21:40] \
<fabian__> sphinx is already used in other kde projects and is running on \
the kde webservers [12:21:52] <sebas> cool, didn't know it
[12:21:59] <romangg> (Also Linux for example uses Sphinx: \
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/) [12:22:12] <sebas> are designers \
cool with a git-driven workflow though? [12:22:44] <sebas> we had a lot of \
friction in the past explaining designers how to use source control \
systems, and especially git can be unwieldy [12:23:44] <fabian__> we will \
see, there was not a wholöe lot of contribution to the hig the last couple \
of years, that was not from one of the regular contributors [12:23:54] \
<fabian__> you could say there was none ... [12:24:40] <-- Son_Goku \
(~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. \
ZZZzzz…) [12:25:23] <psifidotos> nide effort: https://hig.kde.org/
[12:25:29] <psifidotos> nice effort *
[12:25:36] <romangg> fabian__ was one of the few who worked on the Wiki HIG \
in the last time. So I think we should try the Git/Sphinx approach and see \
how it works out. Generally since many big projects use it, it is not \
totally random. [12:25:39] <psifidotos> it can help a lot
[12:26:13] <-- ceed^ (~vivaldi@c-73-16-30-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit \
(Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:26:21] <sebas> alright, cool ... let's see \
how it goes [12:26:25] <romangg> The last few weeks were quite successfull \
thanks to fabian__'s work and bshah helping with sysadmin tasks. [12:26:40] \
<sebas> the content rework is very useful, esp given our convergence \
efforts with Kirigami ... *applauds* [12:27:02] <sebas> is there more to \
discuss about the HIG? [12:27:25] <sebas> i have Sho_, psifidotos, bshah, \
d_ed and /me lined up for the rest of the meeting [12:27:31] <romangg> No, \
thanks. To conclude the goal now would be to solve the tasks in phab and if \
maybe get some more people on board. If you are interested, join the phab \
project as watcher or member. :) [12:27:52] <sebas> perhaps a good idea to \
do regular reports during this meeting? [12:28:02] <sebas> fvogt: is this \
time suitable for you to join on a weekly basis? [12:28:23] <Sho_> fabian__ \
rather [12:28:24] <Sho_> :)
[12:28:30] <sebas> fabian__ yeah, thanks
[12:28:42] <fabian__> yes I think I can
[12:29:01] <fabian__> Input on https://phabricator.kde.org/T7983 and \
https://phabricator.kde.org/T8146 would be great [12:29:01] <sKreamer> Task \
7983 "Reevaluate design vision and principles" [Open,Normal] {KDE Human \
Interface Guidelines} https://phabricator.kde.org/T7983 [12:29:01] \
<sKreamer> Task 8146 "Overall structure" [Open,High] {KDE Human Interface \
Guidelines} https://phabricator.kde.org/T8146 [12:29:08] <sebas> cool, \
you're very welcome to [12:29:36] <sebas> let's continue with Sho_
[12:29:48] <Sho_>
[12:29:49] <Sho_> * [SM] Did a Simple Menu release with some fixes and \
optimizations [12:29:51] <Sho_> ** Touchscreen launch now works
[12:29:52] <Sho_> ** Item highlight deco stays when opening context menu
[12:29:54] <Sho_> ** Lighter delegates
[12:29:55] <Sho_> ** Some other tiny fixes
[12:29:57] <Sho_> * [SM] Nate Graham is making a new menu based on SM, \
talked with him about requirements for the Kicker backend rewrite and some \
PlasmaComponents issues he ran into, etc. [12:29:58] <Sho_> * [TM] Spent \
some time trying to debug why the TM tooltip sometimes shows a window thumb \
too many (dupe), but walked away unsuccessfully and with other tooltip \
issues (e.g. various racy ReferenceErrors) so far - not liking this code \
... [12:30:00] <Sho_> * [Kirigami] Progress on my KMessageWidget thingie \
(mostly got stumped by learning how Kirigami organizes source for a bit), \
hopefully ready this week, followed by the Language KCM Qt Quick port using \
it [12:30:01] <Sho_> * [Other] Dealing with merging a bunch of Phabs \
submitted by irregular contributors [12:30:03] <Sho_> * [Sprint] Poke \
status: [12:30:04] <Sho_> ** Nate Graham confirmed
[12:30:06] <Sho_> ** Shawn Rutledge (Qt) a possibility
[12:30:07] <Sho_> ** Drew DeVault (Sway) a possibility
[12:30:09] <Sho_> ** Ikey Doherty (Budgie) a possibility
[12:30:10] <Sho_> ** Michail Vourlakos (Latte) n/a
[12:30:12] <Sho_> ** Alex Nemeth (Blur patches) n/a
[12:30:13] <Sho_> ** Bhushan poked a Halium person to come, I think they \
are [12:30:15] <Sho_> ** Who knows someone at LXqt we can poke?
[12:30:53] <sebas> I was wondering what we do with accommodation for the \
sprint, that's relevant to fill in the individual reimbursement requests? \
[12:31:59] <bshah> ^ I've booked a hostel for now since I needed it for \
visa, but I am open to relocate [12:32:10] <bshah> (where everyone else is \
styaing I mean) [12:32:11] <sebas> What do others do?
[12:32:14] <Sho_> so far no one did any work on considering a group booking \
or so [12:32:22] <kbroulik> I only booked a flight sofar
[12:32:27] <Sho_> so currently it would be individual
[12:32:38] <Sho_> unless we actually organize somehow
[12:32:46] <Sho_> (i did book my hotel already)
[12:32:51] <sebas> I'll be in berlin the weekend before with a group of \
friends for some techno partying, so I'll only join on monday morning \
[12:32:53] <notmart> i also only booked the flicght [12:32:58] <kbroulik> \
hm thought there were going to be couple of arparments or sth like that? \
[12:33:02] <sebas> Sho_: which did you book? [12:33:08] <Sho_> "The Dude", \
it's close to Endocode [12:33:11] <sebas> yeah, airbnb something would be \
nice [12:33:20] <sebas> Sho_: lol really?
[12:33:22] <kbroulik> Boutique-Hotel :D lol
[12:33:25] <notmart> if we can do apartments, would be awesome
[12:33:30] <sebas> yeah, agree
[12:33:56] <Sho_> believe it or not, it was in the lowest third of prices \
around endocode :P [12:34:01] <Sho_> unless you count hostels
[12:34:16] <crazy> Sho_: try PM agaida for LXQT
[12:34:17] <kbroulik> just for reference again \
https://community.kde.org/Sprints/Plasma/2018 [12:34:19] <sebas> kbroulik: \
wanna have a look at airbnb options? I'm kinda annoyed by booking stuff \
currently [12:34:24] <Sho_> crazy: cool, thx
[12:34:34] <sebas> used up all my airbnb patience last week :/
[12:34:41] <kbroulik> I have no experience with airbnb whatsoever :/
[12:35:04] <sebas> alright ...  I'll put it on my list, but I need people \
who want to join to let me know [12:35:09] <sebas> So, who definitely wants \
in? [12:35:11] -*- sebas !
[12:35:20] -*- kbroulik
[12:35:27] <kbroulik> perhaps the wiki should get a "Needs accomodation" \
column [12:35:28] -*- notmart /
[12:35:29] -*- bshah
[12:35:35] <kbroulik> then we get an overview who already booked and who \
still needs/wants :) [12:35:43] <kbroulik> Martin's not coming, I suppose?
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[12:36:29] <sebas> kbroulik: if you add one, people will assume we'll take \
care of it, and that would mean I'm gonna have to run after people \
[12:36:30] <Sho_> might be better handled through plasma-devel? [12:36:43] \
<kbroulik> okay [12:36:53] <Sho_> maybe we can appoint kbroulik to run \
after people [12:36:56] <sebas> so whoever let's me know before wednesday I \
can try to book for [12:37:00] <Sho_> or romangg who was initially part of \
the sprint org [12:37:03] <Sho_> :)
[12:37:16] <kbroulik> shadeslayer: where are you staying so long acording \
to wiki? [12:37:19] <sebas> well, we need a cut-off date real soon, airbnb \
booking in Berlin is usually super tight [12:37:37] <sebas> it was *very* \
hard to find a simple room just last week [12:37:46] <sebas> for the \
weekend right before the sprint [12:37:57] <Sho_> yeah, my hotel booking \
was tough too [12:38:04] <shadeslayer> kbroulik: my sister lives in Berlin, \
so after the sprint I'm crashing at her place [12:38:31] <shadeslayer> I \
need to find a place for during the sprint, I'd like to stay where everyone \
is staying [12:38:54] <kbroulik> but you're arriving on 20 April, ie. \
friday, is that correct? [12:38:58] <Sho_> I just added my dates to the \
wiki too (16th to 2nd) [12:39:14] <shadeslayer> Yes, that is correct
[12:40:04] <shadeslayer> Economically speaking, it worked out the same \
since the tickets for the 21st were like double the price [12:40:17] \
<kbroulik> I see [12:41:04] <sebas> so I've sebas, notmart, bshah, \
shadeslayer, kbroulik now for a shared appt? [12:41:08] <sebas> anybody \
else? [12:41:18] <kbroulik> romangg: ↑?
[12:41:19] <shadeslayer> Sounds good to me
[12:41:24] <sebas> I'll start hunting on wednesday, after that would be \
madness [12:41:27] <sebas> okay, plus romangg
[12:41:33] <notmart> speak now or shall remain forever silent
[12:41:39] <kbroulik> d_ed: ↑?
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[12:42:45] <sebas> anyway ... let's move on with the meeting
[12:42:54] <sebas> psifidotos: your turn :)
[12:43:09] <psifidotos> * reported an unexpected finding in kwin, logout \
under wayland is faulty. [12:43:11] <psifidotos> Applications using wayland \
dont close properly (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391271). \
[12:43:11] <sKreamer> KDE bug 391271 in plasmashell (generic-wayland) "When \
loging out wayland session, do the windows get a proper close signal?" \
[normal,] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391271 [12:43:12] \
<psifidotos> No idea why... [12:43:19] <psifidotos> * small fix for trash \
applet, it was missing a return statement [12:43:21] <psifidotos> * [Latte] \
release v0.7.4 and remove a font that was used internally for the trademark \
[12:43:22] <psifidotos> * [Latte] I drew new image patterns for editing \
mode [12:43:24] <psifidotos> * [Latte] find a way to alter a panel \
presentation in order to colorize it in monochrome for better contrast with \
the desktop background [12:43:25] <psifidotos> * [Latte] fixed all known \
wayland crashes [12:43:27] <psifidotos> * [Latte] improve context menus \
appearance under wayland [12:43:28] <psifidotos> * [Latte] use taskmanager \
way of activating tasks in order to activate surrounding applets [12:43:30] \
<psifidotos> * [Latte] improve the use of mouse wheel for audio badges in \
order to increase/decrease stream volume [12:43:38] <kbroulik> I guess \
ksmserver can only do X session teardown and wayland has no such \
infrastrufture (yet) [12:44:17] <psifidotos> probably, the thing is that on \
Latte exit I am doing some important stuff that is how I found out :) \
[12:45:05] <psifidotos> I am ok if you want to continue [12:45:05] <Sho_> \
I'm still not sure how Latte on Wayland can even work [12:45:13] <Sho_> \
PlasmaWindowManagement can only be bound once, right? [12:45:24] <sebas> \
the answer is always "a custom protocol" ;-) [12:45:26] <-- notmart \
(~diau@kde/mart) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:45:42] \
<Sho_> So as soon as anything in plasmashell uses WaylandTasksModel, ... \
[12:45:57] <psifidotos> Latte works already in wayland :) [12:46:02] \
<sebas> "Wayland will fix it* (tm) *with a custom protocol" [12:46:13] \
<psifidotos> and in parallel with plasma [12:46:16] --> notmart \
(~diau@kde/mart) has joined #plasma [12:46:39] <Sho_> weird
[12:46:45] <psifidotos> concerning the security issues and the access to \
PlasmaWindowManagement [12:46:49] <Sho_> but ok :)
[12:47:03] <psifidotos> martin has left it open until the community reaches \
open how to handle the situation. [12:47:15] <psifidotos> the alternatives \
could be [12:47:26] <psifidotos> the user to authorize such access
[12:47:35] <psifidotos> by user input
[12:47:36] <notmart> meh, lately i have at least 2 catastrphic oom freezes \
a day due to firefox being completely unbearable lately :/ [12:47:37] \
<sitter> Sho_: when opening kickoff is it exepcted that it automatically \
switches to the leave tab? [12:47:58] <Sho_> sitter: I don't know Kickoff
[12:48:05] <sitter> who'd know?
[12:48:23] <sebas> notmart: chromium, then?
[12:48:24] <bshah> sitter: it is not expected, but at least I can confirm \
that it happens randomly [12:48:28] <Sho_> sitter: but I can reproduce it, \
apparently first opening it switches to leave [12:48:39] <Sho_> sitter: \
probably a regression from the recent performance optimizations [12:48:40] \
<bshah> hack I've even wrote a bug report at one point if I remember  \
correctly [12:48:44] <Sho_> sitter: so: whoever broke it
[12:48:53] <Sho_> probably notmart or kbroulik :P
[12:48:56] -*- sitter gets a pitchfork
[12:49:01] <sebas> sitter: not expected, never seen it (but it has mouse \
over on these tabs) [12:49:02] <Sho_> merry stabbin'
[12:49:06] <sitter> now my test is flaky!
[12:49:37] <sitter> bshah: numba?
[12:49:44] <bshah> sitter: after meeting?
[12:49:50] <sitter> pft
[12:49:57] <bshah> anyway, my turn?
[12:50:01] <sebas> we're almost done
[12:50:03] <notmart> uh, i had kickoff switching to leave tab a coyple of \
times recently [12:50:09] <sebas> yes, bshah, go ahead
[12:50:27] <bshah>  Got my visa for plasma sprint (you won't see me crying \
about visa for whole year now :p as I got 1 year valid visa) [12:50:29] \
<bshah> - Worked on pinebook imaging refactor (4h build time v/s 30 mins \
build time) [12:50:31] <bshah> - working on qt 5.10 based Plasma Mobile \
images [12:50:33] <bshah> - Refined the fix for building kwin on GLES \
platforms [12:50:44] <bshah> questions? or next
[12:50:48] <-- holgersson (~quassel@unaffiliated/holgersson) has quit \
(Remote host closed the connection) [12:51:02] <sebas> next would be me
[12:51:04] <sebas> * finished prototype of rotation plasmoid (allows \
autorotation in X11) [12:51:04] <sebas>     * works quite well but needs \
code improvements: calling xinput binary right now, need to figure out how \
to use libinput for that, that alone seems worthwhile to know [12:51:04] \
<sebas>     * makes my tent mode laptop really useful now [12:51:04] \
<sebas> * kscreen OSD layout picker merged with dvratil [12:51:04] <sebas> \
* kscreen now reacts to display button with OSD (bug #390096) [12:51:04] \
<sebas> * to continue kscreen KCM QtQuick rewrite [12:51:04] <sebas> * book \
find a place in Berlin to sleep for plasmoids :) [12:51:22] <sebas> ow, \
d_ed, are you there? [12:52:27] <sebas> so if not ... we'll close the \
meeting, it was long enough as is [12:52:44] <sebas> thanks everybody for \
your participation, you'll see the minutes appearing on plasma-devel \
shortly [12:52:45] <psifidotos> can I ask something?
[12:53:07] --> holgersson (~quassel@unaffiliated/holgersson) has joined \
#plasma [12:53:24] <psifidotos> in the meeting do we discuss only plasma \
development ? is Latte out of the discussion? [12:53:35] <psifidotos> I ask \
because I am new to this [12:53:46] <psifidotos> and I dont know the \
meeting ruls [12:53:50] <psifidotos> rules *
[12:53:52] <Sho_> psifidotos: I don't think anyone minds to discuss Latte \
too since it's closely affiliated and uses Plasma libraries [12:54:09] \
<Sho_> :) [12:54:14] <-- holgersson (~quassel@unaffiliated/holgersson) has \
quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:54:27] <bshah> sitter: nope.. \
can't find bug report :/ [12:54:30] --> holgersson \
(~quassel@unaffiliated/holgersson) has joined #plasma [12:54:43] \
<psifidotos> Sho_: thanks ;) [12:55:08] <psifidotos> have a nice day \
everyone [12:55:09] <sebas> in general, projects such as Latte really \
belong to our meeting, we like to work closely together with people who \
work with Plasma, and Latte is very popular too, so it's only beneficial \
for everyone [12:55:11] <Sho_> psifidotos: thanks for reporting, i find it \
interesting to read [12:55:17] <sebas> yes, totally agree
[12:55:56] <sitter> ARGH
[12:56:06] <psifidotos> ok... no prob then :) happy discussing with you and \
sharing...



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