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Subject: Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout
From: Sebastian =?UTF-8?B?S8O8Z2xlcg==?= <sebas () kde ! org>
Date: 2017-11-06 11:38:11
Message-ID: 7552798.pHzQQ1noxE () miro
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Hola,
The minutes and the log.
Enjoy!
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sebas
http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org
Plasma Team meeting, 6-11-2017
Present: notmart, Ridell, Sho, kbroulik, d_ed
notmart:
* kirigami: support for colored icons in some more places: possibility to color the \
main action buttons, needed by discover (mart/icongroupproperty \
branch)
* qqc2 desktop style/qqc2 plasma style: fix the Dial element with Qt 5.10 (the impl \
api is not stable)
* investigate a regression in Qt 5.9.2, should be fixed in 5.9.3
* fixed bug 386454 on systemsettings not opening the proper modules sometimes
KDE bug 386454 in systemsettings (sidebarview) "Switching between modules doesn't \
always work" [normal,FIXED] \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386454
* merge kirigami plasma-settings, make it support unique application instances again
* kcms redesign and kirigami: long missing component which will be needed a lot for \
the kcms, FormLayout https://phabricator.kde.org/D8641 now fixing it following \
david's review
Riddell:
5.11.3 is due out tomorrow, all bugfixes welcome
I'm planning on going on holiday for a couple of weeks at the end of January, this \
clashes with plasma 5.12.0LTS release, is anyone able to do that instead?
d_ed:
not done much plasma this week; a couple of fixes in KAStats
I do have a new proposed fix for the wl_proxy_create_wrapper crash
Sho:
* Released Simple Menu v1.0.4
* Moved Simple Menu to kdereview, so it can get a Bugzilla product soon
* Tested the wine fix I worked with them on, wine apps now show up nicely in the Task \
Manager
* Still working on libtm URL chaos fix
* Non-plasma: Working on search support in the new Konversation text view (biggest \
missing feature in that part of the UI), working on a 1.7.3 release for this week due \
to a security issue
* also talking to milian & co about the fv stuff here and there
kbroulik:
* Did a KDE party on Friday with heirecka, mgraesslin, colomar, ximion, and others)
* Did some minor improvements to systray config (applets/entries now sorted \
alphabetically)
* Some minor optimizations in SortFilterModel/DataModel
* Gave KFind some love (notably startup speed) kfind stuff D8623 D8624 D8625
Diff 8623 "Use QtConcurrent for populating mime type list" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D8623 Diff 8624 "Add separator between special mime \
types and mime type list" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D8624 Diff 8625 \
"Fix Save As feature" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D8625
sebas:
* Looking into kscreen bugs
* debugging why the config isn't saved on wayland (as almost usual :-/) found the \
same problem with another cause, more debugging there ( \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733 )
* blogged about Plasma roadmap, well received and made lwn.net \
https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/10/plasma-mobile-roadmap/
* drew devault emailed me about the wayland outputdevice protocol, inquiring ... I'll \
CC: plasma-devel likely
[12:01:10] <notmart> meeting?
[12:01:13] <Riddell> ook
[12:01:28] <sebas> yes
[12:01:34] <sebas> Who's here for it?
[12:01:40] --> notmart_ (~diau@kde/mart) has joined #plasma
[12:02:02] <Sho_> me (though at dinner again and forgot to copy my notes but can \
improv) [12:02:22] -*- notmart is
[12:02:42] <Riddell> a game of Who's Line is it Anyway with Sho_!
[12:03:05] <Sho_> o.O
[12:03:51] <notmart> d_ed, kbroulik, bshah?
[12:04:29] <d_ed> yo
[12:05:13] <Sho_> future meeting excuse: "i scrolled away the meeting and couldn't \
scroll back", re discussion in backlog [12:05:31] <notmart> lol
[12:05:56] <notmart> i would find it very funny if i wasn't already completely \
saddeded by it [12:06:24] <Sho_> laughing the in the face of evil :)
[12:06:29] <Sho_> +grammar
[12:06:31] <notmart> eh
[12:06:39] <sebas> yeah, it's funny cause it's true
[12:07:15] <sebas> let's start, notmart! Then Riddell, Sho_, d_ed, /me (and we wait \
for kbroulik as well) [12:07:22] <kbroulik> :D
[12:08:02] <notmart> ok
[12:08:10] <notmart> * kirigami: support for colored icons in some more places: \
possibility to color the main action buttons, needed by discover \
(mart/icongroupproperty branch) [12:08:10] <notmart> * qqc2 desktop style/qqc2 plasma \
style: fix the Dial element with Qt 5.10 (the impl api is not stable) [12:08:10] \
<notmart> * investigate a regression in Qt 5.9.2, should be fixed in 5.9.3 [12:08:10] \
<notmart> * fixed bug 386454 on systemsettings not opening the proper modules \
sometimes [12:08:10] <sKreamer> KDE bug 386454 in systemsettings (sidebarview) \
"Switching between modules doesn't always work" [normal,FIXED] \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=386454 [12:08:18] <notmart> * merge kirigami \
plasma-settings, make it support unique application instances again [12:08:18] \
<notmart> * kcms redesign and kirigami: long missing component which will be needed a \
lot for the kcms, FormLayout https://phabricator.kde.org/D8641 now fixing it \
following david's review [12:08:18] <sKreamer> Diff 8641 "FormLayout" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D8641 [12:08:25] --> cotko3 \
(~ahmed@89-212-138-82.static.t-2.net) has joined #plasma [12:08:28] <-- CrKit \
(~nekit@85.143.20.2) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:08:49] <d_ed> yeah, \
good stuff with that layout [12:08:55] <-- cotko4 \
(~ahmed@89-212-138-82.static.t-2.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [12:09:01] \
<notmart> questions? next? [12:09:14] <notmart> thx :)
[12:09:31] <Riddell> 5.11.3 is due out tomorrow, all bugfixes welcome
[12:10:17] <Riddell> I'm planning on going on holiday for a couple of weeks at the \
end of January, this clashes with plasma 5.12.0LTS release, is anyone able to do that \
instead? [12:10:17] <d_ed> notmart: btw, latest frameworks is tagged, so you can \
merge one or two of the patches that you had queued [12:10:19] <kbroulik> notmart: \
does your layout also take into account otehr platforms? [12:10:27] <kbroulik> \
QFormLayout with right-aligned labels is a KDE thing [12:10:34] <d_ed> Riddell: sure
[12:10:41] <Riddell> d_ed: great :)
[12:10:44] <kbroulik> but yeah, good stuff, desperately needed
[12:10:49] <Riddell> should be easy enough, it's the beta that takes the extra work
[12:10:57] <notmart_> kbroulik: not really at the moment, i guess i can make some \
adjustment for a "windows" mode [12:11:01] -*- Riddell done
[12:11:08] <Sho_> do we try to upstream formlayout to qqc2?
[12:11:25] <kbroulik> layouts is not part of qqc
[12:11:31] <kbroulik> but for upstreaming it probably needs to become C++
[12:11:33] <notmart_> from Qt, i would like it done
[12:11:38] --> Son_Goku (~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has joined #plasma
[12:11:38] <Sho_> *qt
[12:11:40] <kbroulik> and then I dont think the label-mechanism Marco did is in line \
with their "vision" [12:11:48] <notmart_> Sho_: from qt i would like it dome in a \
campletely different way tough [12:12:03] <notmart_> i would like it an actual layout \
implementation completely in c++ [12:12:49] <Sho_> so we wrote something we don't \
actually want and expect to drop again causing us to port lots of ui code? [12:12:56] \
<notmart_> my architecture was mostly how to make it as easy to maintain as possible \
while not being able to use their private stuff [12:13:26] <notmart_> which as a \
collateral result ended up with an api which i love that i would prefer to an actual \
layout thing i guess.. [12:14:35] <notmart_> i think if they do an actual form layout \
(which i think is more in line with a pure positioner theng) i would simply port my \
thing to it, which should make it become slightly simpler in code [12:14:50] <Sho_> \
ah ok [12:14:50] <kbroulik> (famous last words)
[12:14:59] <notmart_> and i would still like more my api as it has a semantic "there \
goes labels and only lables" thing [12:15:14] <sebas> I like the approach
[12:15:27] <kbroulik> especially since it should make it easier to adjust it to a \
phone (labels ontop) [12:15:36] <sebas> let's move on though, Riddell: you were done?
[12:15:43] <Sho_> I don't mean to be stoppy, I just always wish we would be more \
aggressive about upstream work to get more influence, too. KDE always keeps to itself \
and it's often harmful [12:15:43] <Riddell> I was
[12:16:08] <sebas> Sho_, d_ed, kborulik, /me
[12:16:30] <Sho_> quickly improv'd notes
[12:16:33] <Sho_> * Released Simple Menu v1.0.4
[12:16:33] <Sho_> * Moved Simple Menu to kdereview, so it can get a Bugzilla product \
soon [12:16:33] <Sho_> * Tested the wine fix I worked with them on, wine apps now \
show up nicely in the Task Manager [12:16:34] <Sho_> * Still working on libtm URL \
chaos fix [12:16:34] <Sho_> * Non-plasma: Working on search support in the new \
Konversation text view (biggest missing feature in that part of the UI), working on a \
1.7.3 release for this week due to a security issue [12:17:10] <Sho_> also talking to \
milian & co about the fv stuff here and there [12:17:16] <Sho_> next()
[12:17:25] <kbroulik> awesome @wine thing
[12:18:00] <sebas> d_ed!
[12:18:31] <d_ed> not done much plasma this week; a couple of fixes in KAStats
[12:18:40] <d_ed> I do have a new proposed fix for the wl_proxy_create_wrapper crash
[12:18:47] <d_ed> which it would be good if someone can test out
[12:19:02] <kbroulik> oooh
[12:19:03] <kbroulik> show me
[12:19:24] <Sho_> tell me what i need to do and can test later
[12:19:30] <kbroulik> fvogt might also want to have a look
[12:19:35] <d_ed> it's attached in the bug report.
[12:19:44] <d_ed> but I guess that's drowned out in all the mark as duplicates
[12:19:52] <kbroulik> https://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=108673 ftr
[12:20:07] <d_ed> you beat me at bugzilla :O
[12:20:37] <notmart_> [12:15] <kbroulik> especially since it should \
make it easier to adjust it to a phone (labels ontop) [12:20:38] <notmart_> \
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHXwzsv1FWA&feature=youtu.be [12:20:43] <kbroulik> \
d_ed: I learnt from the best [12:20:46] <notmart_> preliminar support to that^^
[12:21:07] <kbroulik> notmart: <3
[12:21:42] <d_ed> anyway, next
[12:21:55] <sebas> kbroulik!
[12:22:05] <kbroulik> * Did a KDE party on Friday with heirecka, mgraesslin, colomar, \
ximion, and others) [12:22:08] <kbroulik> * Did some minor improvements to systray \
config (applets/entries now sorted alphabetically) [12:22:11] <kbroulik> * Some minor \
optimizations in SortFilterModel/DataModel [12:22:11] <kbroulik> * Gave KFind some \
love (notably startup speed) [12:22:26] <notmart_> kfind love <3
[12:22:46] <kbroulik> kfind stuff D8623 D8624 D8625
[12:22:46] <sKreamer> Diff 8623 "Use QtConcurrent for populating mime type list" \
[Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D8623 [12:22:46] <sKreamer> Diff 8624 "Add \
separator between special mime types and mime type list" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D8624 [12:22:46] <sKreamer> Diff 8625 "Fix Save As \
feature" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D8625 [12:22:48] <sebas> love \
love <3! [12:22:57] <kbroulik> next
[12:23:10] -*- sebas !
[12:23:17] <sebas> * Looking into kscreen bugs
[12:23:17] <sebas> * debugging why the config isn't saved on wayland (as almost usual \
:-/) found the same problem with another cause, more debugging there ( \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733 ) [12:23:17] <sebas> * blogged about \
Plasma roadmap, well received and made lwn.net \
https://vizzzion.org/blog/2017/10/plasma-mobile-roadmap/ [12:23:17] <sKreamer> KDE \
bug 384733 in KScreen (kded) "Wayland configs are not saved" [normal,] \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384733 [12:23:53] <sebas> * drew devault emailed \
me about the wayland outputdevice protocol, inquiring ... I'll CC: plasma-devel \
likely [12:23:55] <-- Son_Goku (~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has quit (Quit: My MacBook \
has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) [12:24:05] <-- Two_Dogs \
(~snak-kat@unaffiliated/almoxarife) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) \
[12:24:15] <sebas> (he's a Sway developer) [12:24:27] <Sho_> we have some problems \
with plasma mobile communication though. the roadmap blog prompted confused walk ins \
wondering if pm is a distro,or something to be pa [12:24:34] <Sho_> *packaged, etc
[12:24:40] <notmart_> sebas: about a wayland extension for that?
[12:24:46] <sebas> walk ins on irc?
[12:24:49] <Sho_> then three people tried to answer and gave confused, conflicting \
answers [12:25:02] <sebas> notmart_: no, let me pastebin
[12:25:22] <sebas> https://paste.kde.org/pentnpzos
[12:25:36] <Sho_> there's no clarity on how pm and pp relate to each other or to the \
rest of the world, we probably need to do something similar to the rebranding task \
force to fix our comm [12:25:41] <sebas> Sho_: was that on irc, or where?
[12:25:47] <kbroulik> a point of confusion that came up on Friday was plasma phone vs \
plasma mobile [12:25:52] <notmart_> ah, ok
[12:25:53] <Sho_> yep IRC
[12:25:57] <sebas> I can do a blog "what is Plasma Mobile" and explain how it's an \
upstream plus reference implementation [12:26:12] <Sho_> will send you relevant log \
via email in about one hour [12:26:16] <sebas> I can scroll up and read
[12:26:20] <sebas> ow, yes, please
[12:26:28] <Sho_> it's was a very useful/interesting discussion imho
[12:26:57] <sebas> I'm running out of immininent topics on PM, but it's useful to \
keep it in the blogosphere I think [12:27:07] <Sho_> yup
[12:28:44] <sebas> alright ... meeting done then
[12:28:48] <sebas> thanks everybody
[12:29:02] <Sho_> ok I'll go bike to my next desk and then send you that log mail :)
[12:29:03] <sebas> I'll be away next week most likely, so if someone else can run \
this, please [12:29:09] <Sho_> will do
[12:29:10] <sebas> cool, thanks
[12:29:18] <sebas> cheers!
[12:29:22] <sebas> I'll email the log shortly
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