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Subject:    Minutes Monday Plasma Meeting
From:       Sebastian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCgler?= <sebas () kde ! org>
Date:       2017-03-13 11:37:56
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["minutes-week-11.txt" (minutes-week-11.txt)]

Plasma Meeting 13-3-2017

Present: notmart, kbroulik, Riddell, sebas

notmart:
* triaging
* mini edit mode for the desktop: open applet handles when toolbox is open, similar \
to panel https://phabricator.kde.org/D4969 Diff 4969 "open applet handles when the \
                toolbox is open" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4969
* prettyfication of lock screen on screen keyboard layout and transitions \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D4893 Diff 4893 "Layout and animations on the on screen \
                keyboard" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4893
* fixed a crash during plasmashell teardown in the notification applet
* don't show autohide panels when they resize (pushed)
* a couple of days spent into investigating into a kwin repaint issue together with \
david: https://phabricator.kde.org/D4989 still didn't manage to find a final solution \
(problem: aurorae is seriously broken) Diff 4989 "more aggressively repaint when the \
                shadow changes" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4989
* desktop scripting functions for locking/unlocking the corona \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D5009 Diff 5009 "add functions for locking/unlocking the \
                corona" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D5009
* function in desktop scripting to lock/unlock the corona: \
                http://jalopnik.com/check-out-this-incredibly-tragic-supercar-graveyard-1793167898
                
* Kirigami2:
  * custom mouse wheel management for internal scroll views to have a more desktop \
                feel (pushed, still needs some improvements)
note1: some of those review requests are rotting away since weeks, i would appreciate \
                a review, but in any case, i want to get most of them pushed by this \
                week
note2: the kwin aurorae border repaint issue is very frustrating, i am pretty much \
out of ideas, so is david, if anybody can have one, would be pretty appreciated

kbroulik:
Did a well-received blog post about my recent work: \
http://blog.broulik.de/2017/03/whats-up-for-5-10/ I got a patch for hybrid suspend \
support in PowerDevil, might work on that a bit (e.g. also register keyboard shortcut \
for that, Kickoff entry in Leave menu etc) Worked on a places:/ KIO slave, this way \
you could have e.g. a FolderView in your panel showing your places. WIP patch D4979 \
Diff 4979 "Add places:/ KIO slave" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4979 \
While doing that I also did some fixes to Dolphin, now properly honors "UDS_HIDDEN" \
for files, even if they don't start with a dot. Also, opening a new Dolphin window \
will have proper bouncy cursor icon now. Some more improvements for FolderView.
Menu key on desktop will now trigger the context menu (you can now change your \
wallpaper using only your keyboard, yay ...)

Riddell:
anyway I was working on kauth with dan and tidying up imagewriter so finally KDE will \
have an app to write ISO images to USB disks I'll be after some feedback on it and \
what features might be useful when it's working I don't know if it would be useful as \
Plasma, probably not but worth pondering no releases this week
I'm in Manchester so not so much online for a talk at FLOSSUK

sebas
- had a look at the digiclock code to gauge what's necessary to implement a themed \
                clock with QML faces - WIP
- still caught up in private stuff which blocks on different fronts
- still dot story on my plate



IRC Log:

[11:59:56] <sebas> Meeting! Who's there?
[12:00:21] <notmart> here
[12:00:23] <kbroulik> here
[12:00:45] <sebas> shall we start already? notmart...
[12:01:10] <notmart> ok
[12:01:32] <notmart> * triaging
[12:01:34] <notmart> * mini edit mode for the desktop: open applet handles when \
toolbox is open, similar to panel https://phabricator.kde.org/D4969 [12:01:34] \
<sKreamer> Diff 4969 "open applet handles when the toolbox is open" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D4969 [12:01:35] <notmart> * prettyfication of lock \
screen on screen keyboard layout and transitions https://phabricator.kde.org/D4893 \
[12:01:35] <sKreamer> Diff 4893 "Layout and animations on the on screen keyboard" \
[Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4893 [12:01:37] <notmart> * fixed a crash \
during plasmashell teardown in the notification applet [12:01:38] <notmart> * don't \
show autohide panels when they resize (pushed) [12:01:40] <notmart> * a couple of \
days spent into investigating into a kwin repaint issue together with david: \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D4989 still didn't manage to find a final solution \
(problem: aurorae is seriously broken) [12:01:40] <sKreamer> Diff 4989 "more \
aggressively repaint when the shadow changes" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D4989 [12:01:41] <notmart> * desktop scripting functions \
for locking/unlocking the corona https://phabricator.kde.org/D5009 [12:01:41] \
<sKreamer> Diff 5009 "add functions for locking/unlocking the corona" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D5009 [12:01:43] <notmart> * function in desktop \
scripting to lock/unlock the corona: \
http://jalopnik.com/check-out-this-incredibly-tragic-supercar-graveyard-1793167898 \
[12:01:44] <notmart> * Kirigami2: [12:01:46] <notmart>   * custom mouse wheel \
management for internal scroll views to have a more desktop feel (pushed, still needs \
some improvements) [12:02:37] <notmart> note1: some of those review requests are \
rotting away since weeks, i would appreciate a review, but in any case, i want to get \
most of them pushed by this week [12:03:00] <sebas> Aye, I'll try to get some of them \
reviewed at least [12:03:05] <notmart> thx
[12:03:17] <sebas> kbroulik: your turn
[12:03:33] <kbroulik> Worked on a places:/ KIO slave, this way you could have e.g. a \
FolderView in your panel showing your places. WIP patch D4979 [12:03:33] <sKreamer> \
Diff 4979 "Add places:/ KIO slave" [Needs Review] https://phabricator.kde.org/D4979 \
[12:03:37] <kbroulik> While doing that I also did some fixes to Dolphin, now properly \
honors "UDS_HIDDEN" for files, even if they don't start with a dot. Also, opening a \
new Dolphin window will have proper bouncy cursor icon now. [12:03:42] <kbroulik> \
Some more improvements for FolderView. [12:03:45] <kbroulik> Menu key on desktop will \
now trigger the context menu (you can now change your wallpaper using only your \
keyboard, yay ...) [12:03:47] <notmart> note2: the kwin aurorae border repaint issue \
is very frustrating, i am pretty much out of ideas, so is david, if anybody can have \
one, would be pretty appreciated [12:03:57] <notmart> done now
[12:03:59] <kbroulik> Did a well-received blog post about my recent work: \
http://blog.broulik.de/2017/03/whats-up-for-5-10/ [12:04:03] <kbroulik> I got a patch \
for hybrid suspend support in PowerDevil, might work on that a bit (e.g. also \
register keyboard shortcut for that, Kickoff entry in Leave menu etc) [12:04:27] \
<kbroulik> questions || next [12:04:39] <sebas> nice
[12:04:52] <sebas> on that note, anybody else deeply unhappy with the logout dialog?
[12:05:05] --> fabian_ (~fabian@pd95b0311.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #plasma
[12:05:14] <notmart> what does make people unhappy?
[12:05:27] <sebas> The text of each item is barely readable, the icons don't tell me \
what's what, and whatever I presect (by clicking shutdown in kickoff for example) is \
not very visible [12:05:48] <Riddell> ook
[12:06:12] <kbroulik> it's a bit unfortunate that you cannot just Kickoff → Leave \
→ Reboot → OK. you have to look again at the dialog and choose there [12:06:21] \
<notmart> sebas: i have some ideas for some incremental improvements that would fix \
some of those issues [12:06:49] <notmart> without going over yet another deeply \
tiring redesign with vdg [12:06:58] <sebas> notmart: nice!
[12:08:02] <sebas> Riddell: your turn
[12:08:12] <fvogt> In opensuse we made the background color a bit darker, the text \
has a high enough contrast. However, it's not visible at all what's selected: \
https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/368979#step/shutdown/1 [12:08:48] <kbroulik> \
selection  should be whiter than the test, rhough [12:09:18] <Riddell> I had stuff to \
say [12:09:26] <Riddell> then you asked about the logout dialog and I clicked suspend
[12:09:37] <Riddell> only this doesn't show the dialog it just suspeds and I lost my \
connection [12:09:40] <Riddell> oh life is cruel!
[12:09:47] <fvogt> kbroulik: It does, but it fades in slowly...
[12:10:03] <Riddell> anyway I was working on kauth with dan and tidying up \
imagewriter so finally KDE will have an app to write ISO images to USB disks \
[12:10:21] <Riddell> I'll be after some feedback on it and what features might be \
useful when it's working [12:10:43] <Riddell> I don't know if it would be useful as \
Plasma, probably not but worth pondering [12:10:56] <Riddell> no releases this week
[12:11:11] <Riddell> I'm in Manchester so not so much online for a talk at FLOSSUK
[12:11:30] <sebas> Riddell: KDE Applications maybe, otherwise extragear?
[12:11:35] <sebas> I wouldn't put it under Plasma
[12:11:50] <Riddell> yeah
[12:11:53] <-- ShalokShalom (~quassel@192-164-250-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at) has \
quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:12:20] --> ShalokShalom \
(~quassel@mobiledyn2.mrsn.at) has joined #plasma [12:12:26] <Riddell> or I'm \
pondering putting bits in like checking the ISO gpg signature which might make it \
neon specific at which point it should get a neon brand [12:12:50] <Riddell> anyway, \
indyref2 announce in 20 minutes, get the popcorn! [12:12:52] <sebas> still no Plasma \
material :) [12:13:13] <sebas> indyref for Scotland?
[12:14:00] <Riddell> yeah, probably not relevant to Plasma but it's all the exitement \
here :) [12:14:42] <sebas> hehe maybe not
[12:14:49] <sebas> let me finish then ...
[12:14:59] <sebas> - had a look at the digiclock code to gauge what's necessary to \
implement a themed clock with QML faces - WIP [12:14:59] <sebas> - still caught up in \
private stuff which blocks on different fronts [12:14:59] <sebas> - still dot story \
on my plate [12:16:24] <notmart> sebas: when you have a prototype, or just a writeup \
of the ideas on how to do it, i would like to have a look to review/feedback :) \
[12:16:29] <Riddell> let me know if you need a hand with the dot story [12:16:39] \
<sebas> notmart: prototype shortly, I hope [12:17:05] <sebas> I'm still figuring a \
few things out, like which of the javascript is actually needed and where exactly, \
and how to share it [12:17:55] <sebas> Riddell: thanks! I'll try some more, and will \
ask for your help [12:18:16] <sebas> Also, really good personal news: I almost got a \
new house to live, and it's fucking awesome [12:19:38] <sebas> I think we're done for \
today ... thanks everybody! [12:19:52] <sebas> I'll send the minutes momentarily
[12:19:54] <notmart> if date and times in qml weren't that broken, i would sugest \
just having a DateTime object property in the root item of the clock face and then \
bre pretty much done with it [12:20:06] <sebas> notmart: yeah...
[12:20:17] <sebas> it's the mess we wrote to work around that brokenness though
[12:20:31] <sebas> there's quite some javascript functions fixing things up left and \
right, and cornercases [12:20:54] <sebas> and all our edgecases of course, much of \
the current digiclocks code is "orientation this, size that" and trying to make it \
fit [12:21:18] <notmart> so, the base class of the face would have to have a full api \
for conversion, formatting of dates, timezones and all that pain [12:21:29] <sebas> \
we don't want to end up with "this face works vertically, the other one doesn't" \
[12:21:30] <-- Delta-One (~zero@2001:2002:51e2:7ba1:6391:acc7:b55f:c617) has quit \
(Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [12:21:34] <notmart> yep
[12:21:41] <sebas> pretty much, yeah
[12:22:13] <notmart> formfactor and location will need to be directly exposed
[12:22:40] <notmart> but in the end still responsibility of the face to adapt to the \
corner cases i guess [12:22:50] <sebas> it already it through the plasmoid object
[12:23:19] <notmart> so nothing would stop someone to upload on on the store that \
works exactly in one case and is completely broken in other [12:23:33] <notmart> ah \
right, plasmoid would still be accessible [12:23:37] <sebas> as soon as we allow \
faces from the store, yes [12:24:02] <sebas> I may redirect plasmoid though, so I can \
load the faces natively in the config dialog for previewing [12:24:18] <notmart> and \
yeah, would need 2-3 releases without store support for adjusting the thing ourselves \
and be confident enough to unleash the herd over it [12:24:29] --> sant1040 \
(~sant1040@r167-60-221-95.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) has joined #plasma [12:25:51] \
<notmart> hmm, plasmoid should be accessible from the config dialog [12:26:09] \
<kbroulik> speaking of faces for clocks, should we have theme packages for analog \
clock faces? [12:26:09] <kbroulik> I think that was one of the few valid usecases for \
the theme details thing though done the wrong way [12:26:16] <sebas> notmart: ow, \
okay [12:26:33] <sebas> kbroulik: yeah, could be pretty cool
[12:26:44] <sebas> same idea as for the digiclock actually
[12:27:00] <notmart> well, in the end there would be one clock applet with faces and \
the analog clock just a face? [12:27:14] <notmart> could still export own desktop \
file to load as it was a different applet [12:27:18] <sebas> maybe...
[12:27:23] <notmart> but that may become a trick just like icon tasks
[12:27:29] <sebas> depends on implementation details I think, but could be done



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