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Subject: Re: Review Request 129691: digital-clock: Update iso-3166 codes in timezones
From: Martin Klapetek <martin.klapetek () gmail ! com>
Date: 2016-12-27 17:26:59
Message-ID: 20161227172659.23879.80998 () mimi ! kde ! org
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> On Dec. 27, 2016, 4:54 p.m., Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > applets/digital-clock/plugin/timezonesi18n.cpp, line 682
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129691/diff/1/?file=487931#file487931line682>
> >
> > This should stay Cape Verde, the English name is used here, not the Portuguese (?) one.
>
> Jiri Bohac wrote:
> Frankly, I don't understand what all the discussion here is about.
> I noticed the list of countries, obviously taken from iso-codes some day in the past, was out of date.
> The comment above the hash table clearly says "Make sure the country names match their versions in \
> iso-codes". So I went and fixed everything to the current version of the ISO standard.
>
> Suddenly, people start disputing the changes with reasoning like:
> "This should stay Cape Verde, the English name is used here, not the Portuguese"
> "Czech Republic" is correct as well, since it's the official name"
> "Congo" is IMHO way too ambiguous
>
> I am no expert on naming countries. There are whole commities doing that at UN and ISO. They decided \
> that "Czechia", "Congo" and "Cabo Verde" are the correct short names and updated their \
> databases/standards.
> I would have loved [not] to see such a discussion when populating this hash table from scratch :))
>
> I find it totally unsystematic to maitain a few records out of sync with iso-codes. Either by using an \
> old version (Cabo Verde) or not using a newly standardized short version. Why would anyone think the \
> snapshot of iso_3116 from ~1 year ago was good and suddenly new ammendment to the standard are \
> controversial?
> If someone, who is a better expert on international politics and territory naming than the UN, feels \
> they want to use any subset of my changes, feel free to do that. I totally don't understand any \
> reasoning behind that, though.
> Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> I can't comment on the other changes (In fact, I ACK'ed them, so I explicitely didn't), but when I \
> looked up Cabo Verde, all I could find is the English version, so Cape Verde. If you have a more recent \
> version, I'm all open for it. If you're posting reviews just to have them rubber-stamped by a robot who \
> doesn't actually review and think the changes through, that's not what our code reviews is about.
> I agree that it's a PITA to maintain the list in several places.
> people start disputing the changes with reasoning like:
> "Czech Republic" is correct as well, since it's the official name"
I never disputed anything, I merely stated that personally, as a Czech, I prefer "Czech Republic" over \
"Czechia" and even explicitly said that my comment is not to block your change. Please don't take my \
words out of context.
- Martin
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On Dec. 20, 2016, 10:57 p.m., Jiri Bohac wrote:
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> (Updated Dec. 20, 2016, 10:57 p.m.)
>
>
> Review request for Plasma and Albert Astals Cid.
>
>
> Repository: plasma-workspace
>
>
> Description
> -------
>
> Update the list of country names to the current names in iso-codes
> (as output by isoquery -c).
>
> The motivation is updating the name of Czechia as a followup to
> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129644/
> As suggested by Albert Astals Cid, fixing the name in i10n is not enough:
> country names are hardcoded in many places and they need to be fixed separately.
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
> applets/digital-clock/plugin/timezonesi18n.cpp 10650f8
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129691/diff/
>
>
> Testing
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>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jiri Bohac
>
>
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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On December 27th, 2016, 4:54 p.m. CET, <b>Sebastian Kügler</b> wrote:</p>
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size="2">680</font></th> <td bgcolor="#fdfebc" width="50%"><pre style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: \
140%; margin: 0; "> <span class="n">ENTRY_ISO_3166</span><span class="p">(</span><span \
class="n">CapeVerde</span><span class="p">,</span> <span class="s">"Ca<span class="hl">pe</span> \
Verde"</span><span class="p">),</span></pre></td> <th bgcolor="#e9eaa8" style="border-left: 1px \
solid #C0C0C0; border-right: 1px solid #C0C0C0;" align="right"><font size="2">682</font></th> <td \
bgcolor="#fdfebc" width="50%"><pre style="font-size: 8pt; line-height: 140%; margin: 0; "> <span \
class="n">ENTRY_ISO_3166</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="n">CapeVerde</span><span \
class="p">,</span> <span class="s">"Ca<span class="hl">bo</span> Verde"</span><span \
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: \
-o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">This should stay Cape Verde, the English name is used here, not the \
Portuguese (?) one.</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On December 27th, 2016, 5:30 p.m. CET, <b>Jiri Bohac</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: \
-o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Frankly, I don't understand what all the discussion here is about. I \
noticed the list of countries, obviously taken from iso-codes some day in the past, was out of date. The \
comment above the hash table clearly says "Make sure the country names match their versions in \
iso-codes". So I went and fixed everything to the current version of the ISO standard. </p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Suddenly, people start disputing the changes with reasoning like: "This should stay Cape Verde, \
the English name is used here, not the Portuguese" "Czech Republic" is correct as well, since it's the \
official name" "Congo" is IMHO way too ambiguous</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I am \
no expert on naming countries. There are whole commities doing that at UN and ISO. They decided that \
"Czechia", "Congo" and "Cabo Verde" are the correct short names and updated their \
databases/standards.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I would have loved [not] to see such a discussion when populating this \
hash table from scratch :))</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I find it totally unsystematic to maitain a few records out of sync with \
iso-codes. Either by using an old version (Cabo Verde) or not using a newly standardized short version. \
Why would anyone think the snapshot of iso_3116 from ~1 year ago was good and suddenly new ammendment to \
the standard are controversial?</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">If someone, who is a better expert on international politics and territory \
naming than the UN, feels they want to use any subset of my changes, feel free to do that. I totally \
don't understand any reasoning behind that, though.</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On December 27th, 2016, 5:43 p.m. CET, <b>Sebastian Kügler</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: \
-o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I can't comment on the other changes (In fact, I ACK'ed them, so I \
explicitely didn't), but when I looked up Cabo Verde, all I could find is the English version, so Cape \
Verde. If you have a more recent version, I'm all open for it. If you're posting reviews just to have \
them rubber-stamped by a robot who doesn't actually review and think the changes through, that's not what \
our code reviews is about.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I agree that it's a PITA to maintain the list in several places.</p></pre> \
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre style="margin-left: 1em; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; \
white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><blockquote style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0 0 \
0 1em;border-left: 1px solid #bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 0.5em;line-height: inherit;"> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">people \
start disputing the changes with reasoning like: "Czech Republic" is correct as well, since it's the \
official name"</p> </blockquote>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I \
never disputed anything, I merely stated that personally, as a Czech, I prefer "Czech Republic" over \
"Czechia" and even explicitly said that my comment is not to block your change. Please don't take my \
words out of context.</p></pre> <br />
<p>- Martin</p>
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<p>On December 20th, 2016, 10:57 p.m. CET, Jiri Bohac wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and Albert Astals Cid.</div>
<div>By Jiri Bohac.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Dec. 20, 2016, 10:57 p.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
plasma-workspace
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Update the list of country names to the \
current names in iso-codes (as output by isoquery -c).
The motivation is updating the name of Czechia as a followup to
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129644/
As suggested by Albert Astals Cid, fixing the name in i10n is not enough:
country names are hardcoded in many places and they need to be fixed separately.</pre>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>applets/digital-clock/plugin/timezonesi18n.cpp <span style="color: grey">(10650f8)</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129691/diff/" style="margin-left: 3em;">View Diff</a></p>
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