From kde-panel-devel  Thu Mar 31 20:49:59 2016
From: Kai Uwe Broulik <kde () privat ! broulik ! de>
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 20:49:59 +0000
To: kde-panel-devel
Subject: Re: Review Request 127492: KCM: Add possibility to move stream to other devices
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> On März 25, 2016, 7:24 nachm., Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Two questions:
> > 1. If there is only one device, are the comoboxes hidden (they should be)?
> > 2. If I change the default device, are all streams automatically switched to that device?
> 
> David Rosca wrote:
>     1. Yes
>     2. No, it just sets the pulseaudio default sink/source. It is then used as fallback device (when stream's device disappears, it will move to default device) and probably also for new streams.
>     
>     I also plan to make the global shortcut to change/mute volume and osd to only work with default device.
> 
> Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
>     1. Good
>     2. A bit of a problem. Or rather, it means we have to re-think some things. The problem is that currently we make the more common scenario (just switching all audio to a different device) more complicated to do than the more advanced scenario (moving individual streams).
>     
>     I know that in theory, PulseAudio should be smart enough to just switch all audio to a newly plugged-in or switched-on device, but from my own experience I can say that this automatism doesn't always work.
>     So for example if I have my TV connected to HDMI, I want all audio to go through my speakers when the TV is off. When I switch the TV on, though, it's more likely that I just want all audio to go through it instead of having to switch individual streams.
>     Switching individual streams is a nice feature, but only useful for rather advanced setups. So we should keep it, but we need a way to move all output to a different device easier.
> 
> David Rosca wrote:
>     Sure, rerouting all streams to one device can be added. Any idea where to expose it in ui?
> 
> Xuetian Weng wrote:
>     I also wonder, is it possible to route the sound to multiple device at the same time? If so maybe combobox is not enough.
>     
>     Also I feel this feature is not a commonly used feature. I wonder if it is possible to hide it until user click on it, just like when you click on connection in plasma-nm, you'll see connection details in plasma-nm.

> I also wonder, is it possible to route the sound to multiple device at the same time? If so maybe combobox is not enough.

Oh, I would love that :) We could use a Button with an attached Menu with checkable items instead, UI-wise should be least of our problems I guess.


- Kai Uwe


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On März 25, 2016, 4:48 nachm., David Rosca wrote:
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> (Updated März 25, 2016, 4:48 nachm.)
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> Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.
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> Repository: plasma-pa
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> Description
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> Add combobox next to mute button with available devices.
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> Diffs
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>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/DeviceComboBox.qml PRE-CREATION 
>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/SinkInputView.qml PRE-CREATION 
>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/SourceOutputView.qml PRE-CREATION 
>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/StreamListItem.qml 7f1d69e 
>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/StreamView.qml b08c87a 
>   src/kcm/package/contents/ui/main.qml 3360201 
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> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127492/diff/
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> Testing
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> Screenshot_20160325_142736.png
>   https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2016/03/25/06b2aafd-f05d-4140-933a-89fbc8ed7c5c__Screenshot_20160325_142736.png
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> Thanks,
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> David Rosca
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">
 <p style="margin-top: 0;">On März 25th, 2016, 7:24 nachm. UTC, <b>Thomas Pfeiffer</b> wrote:</p>
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  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Two questions:
1. If there is only one device, are the comoboxes hidden (they should be)?
2. If I change the default device, are all streams automatically switched to that device?</p></pre>
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 <p>On März 25th, 2016, 7:30 nachm. UTC, <b>David Rosca</b> wrote:</p>
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  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><ol style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0 0 0 2em;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">Yes</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">No, it just sets the pulseaudio default sink/source. It is then used as fallback device (when stream's device disappears, it will move to default device) and probably also for new streams.</li>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I also plan to make the global shortcut to change/mute volume and osd to only work with default device.</p></pre>
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 <p>On März 25th, 2016, 7:46 nachm. UTC, <b>Thomas Pfeiffer</b> wrote:</p>
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  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><ol style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0 0 0 2em;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">Good</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">A bit of a problem. Or rather, it means we have to re-think some things. The problem is that currently we make the more common scenario (just switching all audio to a different device) more complicated to do than the more advanced scenario (moving individual streams).</li>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I know that in theory, PulseAudio should be smart enough to just switch all audio to a newly plugged-in or switched-on device, but from my own experience I can say that this automatism doesn't always work.
So for example if I have my TV connected to HDMI, I want all audio to go through my speakers when the TV is off. When I switch the TV on, though, it's more likely that I just want all audio to go through it instead of having to switch individual streams.
Switching individual streams is a nice feature, but only useful for rather advanced setups. So we should keep it, but we need a way to move all output to a different device easier.</p></pre>
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 <p>On März 25th, 2016, 8:40 nachm. UTC, <b>David Rosca</b> wrote:</p>
 <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">
  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Sure, rerouting all streams to one device can be added. Any idea where to expose it in ui?</p></pre>
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 <p>On März 31st, 2016, 8:45 nachm. UTC, <b>Xuetian Weng</b> wrote:</p>
 <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">
  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I also wonder, is it possible to route the sound to multiple device at the same time? If so maybe combobox is not enough.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Also I feel this feature is not a commonly used feature. I wonder if it is possible to hide it until user click on it, just like when you click on connection in plasma-nm, you'll see connection details in plasma-nm.</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><blockquote style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0 0 0 1em;border-left: 1px solid #bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 0.5em;line-height: inherit;">
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I also wonder, is it possible to route the sound to multiple device at the same time? If so maybe combobox is not enough.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Oh, I would love that :) We could use a Button with an attached Menu with checkable items instead, UI-wise should be least of our problems I guess.</p></pre>
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<p>- Kai Uwe</p>


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<p>On März 25th, 2016, 4:48 nachm. UTC, David Rosca wrote:</p>








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<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated März 25, 2016, 4:48 nachm.</i></p>









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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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   <pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Add combobox next to mute button with available devices.</p></pre>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/DeviceComboBox.qml <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>

 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/SinkInputView.qml <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>

 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/SourceOutputView.qml <span style="color: grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>

 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/StreamListItem.qml <span style="color: grey">(7f1d69e)</span></li>

 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/StreamView.qml <span style="color: grey">(b08c87a)</span></li>

 <li>src/kcm/package/contents/ui/main.qml <span style="color: grey">(3360201)</span></li>

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<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/127492/diff/" style="margin-left: 3em;">View Diff</a></p>



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