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Subject: Re: Review Request 125678: Introduce User Switcher plasmoid
From: "Kai Uwe Broulik" <kde () privat ! broulik ! de>
Date: 2015-10-18 10:06:23
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> On Okt. 18, 2015, 9:26 vorm., Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Nice user switcher. Question is whether or not the user icon is to show in the \
> > panel (clutters IMHO, so done right) and what happens when you click one of the \
> > global functions. The Lock/Logout plasmoid shows a confirmation bar with reboot, \
> > shut down, and log out (the latter enabled by default). Is this bar shown for \
> > leave? And actually I'd rather keep plasmoids simple and remove all features that \
> > are not directly related to user sessions. So it should be taken into \
> > consideration to remove Lock and Leave... (maybe add just logout).
> > And last but not least you could think about the sort order. If there are really \
> > more than one instance of the same user as in your screenshot, the current user \
> > may want to switch between own instances.
> > PS: New users may expect such a dialog for activities. Does mixing sessions and \
> > activities make sense?
>
> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> > Question is whether or not the user icon is to show in the panel
>
> I was thinking about it but decided against it because, yes, it clutters it.
> > Is this bar shown for leave?
>
> Yes, pressing "Leave..." will open the Shutdown/Reboot/Logout dialog, that part is \
> actually taken from the lock logout applet :)
> > not directly related to user sessions
>
> Locking the screen and logging off is related to the *current* session.
> > remove Lock and Leave...
>
> I don't think telling someone "if you want to switch to the other user, click here, \
> but if you want to just log out or lock the screen, click here, here, and here" \
> (kickoff menu eg)
> > If there are really more than one instance of the same user as in your \
> > screenshot, the current user may want to switch between own instances
>
> Makes sense, ie. sort the current user's sessions first, then the rest \
> alphabetically? Or by VT (F1, F2, ..)? However, the sort order is not determined by \
> the plasmoid but the separate model (Review 124980) and would (eventually) affect \
> the regular user switcher and the one on the lock screen.
> Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Yes, pressing "Leave..." will open the Shutdown/Reboot/Logout dialog, that part \
> > is actually taken from the lock logout applet :)
>
> OT: This confirmation bar shows "logout" (not "leave") by default, even when I \
> clicked shutdown in the refering plasmoid.
> Waiting for other replies...
You can configure what the bar should default to in System Settings -> Startup & \
Shutdown -> Desktop Session -> Default setting for logging off. It defaults to "Log \
out" (I think it should be Shutdown), or depending on whether other users are \
currently logged in.
- Kai Uwe
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On Okt. 17, 2015, 6:11 nachm., Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
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>
> (Updated Okt. 17, 2015, 6:11 nachm.)
>
>
> Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.
>
>
> Repository: kdeplasma-addons
>
>
> Description
> -------
>
> It is prety common in other desktop environments to have something that allows \
> switching between users and logout/shutdown quickly. It is inspired by the Fast \
> User Switch plasmoid from kde-apps.org [1]
> [1] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=127462
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
> applets/userswitcher/package/metadata.desktop PRE-CREATION
> applets/userswitcher/package/contents/ui/main.qml PRE-CREATION
> applets/userswitcher/package/contents/ui/ListDelegate.qml PRE-CREATION
> applets/userswitcher/Messages.sh PRE-CREATION
> applets/CMakeLists.txt 4079726
> applets/userswitcher/CMakeLists.txt PRE-CREATION
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125678/diff/
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> When the applet opens, it updates. It grows a maximum of half the screen height, \
> should there be more users currently logged in, the list can be scrolled. Switching \
> users works, both with and without locking the screen, depending on user's \
> settings. Opening new sessions, locking the screen and shutting down also work.
> The applet doesn't have any settings, the label probably needs tweaking so its \
> sizing policy is similar to the digital clock so the two look reasonable next to \
> each other.
>
> File Attachments
> ----------------
>
> Plasmoid in action
> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2015/10/17/05d93363-9b15-4c77-abe0-6f8ed9b3cab7__userswitcherplasmoid3.png
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kai Uwe Broulik
>
>
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On Oktober 18th, 2015, 9:26 vorm. UTC, <b>Heiko \
Tietze</b> wrote:</p> <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid \
#d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Nice user switcher. Question is whether or not the \
user icon is to show in the panel (clutters IMHO, so done right) and what happens \
when you click one of the global functions. The Lock/Logout plasmoid shows a \
confirmation bar with reboot, shut down, and log out (the latter enabled by default). \
Is this bar shown for leave? And actually I'd rather keep plasmoids simple and remove \
all features that are not directly related to user sessions. So it should be taken \
into consideration to remove Lock and Leave... (maybe add just logout).</p> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">And last but not least you could think about the sort order. If there are \
really more than one instance of the same user as in your screenshot, the current \
user may want to switch between own instances.</p> <p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">PS: \
New users may expect such a dialog for activities. Does mixing sessions and \
activities make sense?</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On Oktober 18th, 2015, 9:44 vorm. UTC, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><blockquote \
style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0 0 0 1em;border-left: 1px solid \
#bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 0.5em;line-height: inherit;"> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Question is whether or not the user icon is to show in the panel</p> \
</blockquote> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I was thinking about it but decided against it \
because, yes, it clutters it.</p> <blockquote style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: \
0 0 0 1em;border-left: 1px solid #bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 \
0.5em;line-height: inherit;"> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: \
0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Is this bar shown for leave?</p> \
</blockquote> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Yes, pressing "Leave..." will open the \
Shutdown/Reboot/Logout dialog, that part is actually taken from the lock logout \
applet :)</p> <blockquote style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0 0 0 \
1em;border-left: 1px solid #bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 0.5em;line-height: \
inherit;"> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">not directly related to user sessions</p> \
</blockquote> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Locking the screen and logging off is related to the \
<em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: normal;">current</em> session.</p> <blockquote \
style="text-rendering: inherit;padding: 0 0 0 1em;border-left: 1px solid \
#bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 0 0 0.5em;line-height: inherit;"> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">remove Lock and Leave...</p> </blockquote>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I don't think telling someone "if you want to switch \
to the other user, click here, but if you want to just log out or lock the screen, \
click here, here, and here" (kickoff menu eg)</p> <blockquote style="text-rendering: \
inherit;padding: 0 0 0 1em;border-left: 1px solid #bbb;white-space: normal;margin: 0 \
0 0 0.5em;line-height: inherit;"> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">If there are really \
more than one instance of the same user as in your screenshot, the current user may \
want to switch between own instances</p> </blockquote>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Makes sense, ie. sort the current user's sessions \
first, then the rest alphabetically? Or by VT (F1, F2, ..)? However, the sort order \
is not determined by the plasmoid but the separate model (Review 124980) and would \
(eventually) affect the regular user switcher and the one on the lock \
screen.</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On Oktober 18th, 2015, 9:56 vorm. UTC, <b>Heiko Tietze</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">| \
Yes, pressing "Leave..." will open the Shutdown/Reboot/Logout dialog, that part is \
actually taken from the lock logout applet :)</p> <p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">OT: \
This confirmation bar shows "logout" (not "leave") by default, even when I clicked \
shutdown in the refering plasmoid.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Waiting for other \
replies...</p></pre> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">You \
can configure what the bar should default to in System Settings -> Startup & \
Shutdown -> Desktop Session -> Default setting for logging off. It defaults to \
"Log out" (I think it should be Shutdown), or depending on whether other users are \
currently logged in.</p></pre> <br />
<p>- Kai Uwe</p>
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<p>On Oktober 17th, 2015, 6:11 nachm. UTC, Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Plasma and KDE Usability.</div>
<div>By Kai Uwe Broulik.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Okt. 17, 2015, 6:11 nachm.</i></p>
<div style="margin-top: 1.5em;">
<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
kdeplasma-addons
</div>
<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
<table width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" \
style="border: 1px solid #b8b5a0"> <tr>
<td>
<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">It is prety common in other desktop environments to \
have something that allows switching between users and logout/shutdown quickly. It is \
inspired by the Fast User Switch plasmoid from kde-apps.org [1]</p> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">[1] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=127462</p></pre> </td>
</tr>
</table>
<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
<table width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" style="border: \
1px solid #b8b5a0"> <tr>
<td>
<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">When the applet opens, it updates. It grows a maximum \
of half the screen height, should there be more users currently logged in, the list \
can be scrolled. Switching users works, both with and without locking the screen, \
depending on user's settings. Opening new sessions, locking the screen and shutting \
down also work.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: \
0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">The applet doesn't have any settings, \
the label probably needs tweaking so its sizing policy is similar to the digital \
clock so the two look reasonable next to each other.</p></pre> </td>
</tr>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
<ul style="margin-left: 3em; padding-left: 0;">
<li>applets/userswitcher/package/metadata.desktop <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>applets/userswitcher/package/contents/ui/main.qml <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>applets/userswitcher/package/contents/ui/ListDelegate.qml <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>applets/userswitcher/Messages.sh <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>applets/CMakeLists.txt <span style="color: grey">(4079726)</span></li>
<li>applets/userswitcher/CMakeLists.txt <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
</ul>
<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125678/diff/" style="margin-left: \
3em;">View Diff</a></p>
<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">File Attachments \
</h1>
<li><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/media/uploaded/files/2015/10/17/05d93363-9b15-4c77-abe0-6f8ed9b3cab7__userswitcherplasmoid3.png">Plasmoid \
in action</a></li>
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