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Subject: Re: Review Request 109832: New tabbox layout with scaling thumbnails
From: Martin_Gräßlin <mgraesslin () kde ! org>
Date: 2014-10-29 16:23:15
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> On Oct. 29, 2014, 12:57 p.m., Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> > tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/contents/ui/main.qml, line 405
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109832/diff/3/?file=321190#file321190line405>
> >
> > i18n this?
>
> Andre Heinecke wrote:
> I don't think this is neccessary. The braces are just used to indicate that a \
> window is minimized. They have no lingustic meaning in this context.
> Kai Uwe Broulik wrote:
> You cannot assume that a language uses exactly this kind of braces in that order:
> i18nc("braces just denote the window is minimized", "(%1)", text)
>
> Martin Klapetek wrote:
> It's not about linguistic meaning, it's more about if those ()s will make sense in \
> eg. Japaneese language or Arabic.
> Simple rule to remember: "if the string is going to appear anywhere on the screen, \
> the whole string must be in i18n" ;)
> Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> the usage of ()s for minimized windows has been used in KWin without i18n since at \
> least as long as I'm involved in the project. I can look up when it got introduced \
> and I would not be surprised if it's since KDE 2.0. Given that and no translators \
> ever complained, I wouldn't change it ;-)
just for the fun I looked into the history and found the following in tabbox.cpp:
+ if (client->isIconified())
+ s += QString("(")+client->caption()+")";
+ else
now guess the commit :-)
commit 311db796c68e520e5b6d28829d6aaa4bfbcd1536
Author: Matthias Ettrich <ettrich@troll.no>
Date: Thu Aug 19 23:26:42 1999 +0000
Say hello to kwin. WARNING: NOT USABLE YET. See README.
svn path=/trunk/kdebase/kwin/; revision=27871
- Martin
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On Oct. 29, 2014, 4:22 p.m., Andre Heinecke wrote:
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> (Updated Oct. 29, 2014, 4:22 p.m.)
>
>
> Review request for kwin, Plasma and Martin Gräßlin.
>
>
> Bugs: 292566
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292566
>
>
> Repository: kde-workspace
>
>
> Description
> -------
>
> I'm reopening this review request as I have updated this Window Switcher for Plasma \
> 5.1 and would like to get another review to check if there are any suggestions or \
> issues regarding the port to the new API.
> Secondly I would like to ask again to have this Window Switcher Layout included in \
> the KWin repository. I would prefer it if users could obtain this layout from their \
> trusted distributors and did not have to rely on an unverifyable third party \
> download to obtain this plugin.
> As suggested in the original review I've put this up on kde-look and recieved some \
> positive feedback. But I really feel that it is rotting away there and that \
> KDE-Look is not a good place to distribute executable plugins.
> IMHO the approach of this Window Switcher is different enough from the others \
> included in KWin to be a useful addition to the fold. Especially as this behavior \
> is already familiar to KDE users from some versions < 4.6
> It should also be close enough to the other layouts like thumbnails to keep \
> maintenance very similar (I've mostly looked at the changes made to thumbnails to \
> adapt this for Plasma 5)
>
> Original description:
>
> This Layout tries to mimic some of the old KDE 4.6 tabbox behavior and layout, it \
> scales the thumbnails shown in the tabbox to avoid scrolling. There are also three \
> different states in this layout depending on the size of the scaled thumbnails to \
> provide appropriate information even when there are many opened windows.
> States:
> 1. Thumbnails are larger then 200px: Show the Title and the Icon of the Window \
> directly below the thumbnail. 2. Thumbnails are between 200px and 64px: Thumbnails \
> are shown together with the icon but only the title of the currently selected \
> window is shown. 3. Thumbnails would be smaller then 64px: Only the Icons of the \
> windows are shown and the title of the currently selected window (like big icons) \
> If the Thumbnails would be smaller then 32px the tabbox starts to scroll in the \
> Icon Only state.
> Size of the thumbnails depends on the screen size and the number of opened windows.
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
> tabbox/qml/CMakeLists.txt fc55ab9
> tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/contents/ui/main.qml PRE-CREATION
> tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/metadata.desktop PRE-CREATION
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109832/diff/
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> Tested with plasma 5.3.1 from Kubuntu next / unstable repositories.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andre Heinecke
>
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On October 29th, 2014, 12:57 p.m. CET, <b>Kai Uwe \
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font-size: 9pt; padding: 4px 8px; text-align: left;"> <a \
href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109832/diff/3/?file=321190#file321190line405" \
style="color: black; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: \
underline;">tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/contents/ui/main.qml</a> <span \
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<span class="nx">text</span> <span class="o">=</span> <span \
class="s2">"("</span> <span class="o">+</span> <span class="nx">text</span> \
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">i18n \
this?</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On October 29th, 2014, 3:20 p.m. CET, <b>Andre Heinecke</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I \
don't think this is neccessary. The braces are just used to indicate that a window is \
minimized. They have no lingustic meaning in this context.</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On October 29th, 2014, 4:46 p.m. CET, <b>Kai Uwe Broulik</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">You \
cannot assume that a language uses exactly this kind of braces in that order: \
i18nc("braces just denote the window is minimized", "(%1)", text)</p></pre> \
</blockquote>
<p>On October 29th, 2014, 5:09 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Klapetek</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It's \
not about linguistic meaning, it's more about if those ()s will make sense in eg. \
Japaneese language or Arabic.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Simple rule to \
remember: "if the string is going to appear anywhere on the screen, the whole string \
must be in i18n" ;)</p></pre> </blockquote>
<p>On October 29th, 2014, 5:20 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">the \
usage of ()s for minimized windows has been used in KWin without i18n since at least \
as long as I'm involved in the project. I can look up when it got introduced and I \
would not be surprised if it's since KDE 2.0. Given that and no translators ever \
complained, I wouldn't change it ;-)</p></pre> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre style="margin-left: 1em; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; \
white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">just for the fun I looked into the history and found the following in \
tabbox.cpp:</p> <ul style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0 0 0 \
1em;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;"> <li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">if \
(client->isIconified())</li> <li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: \
0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">s += \
QString("(")+client->caption()+")";</li> <li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">else</li> </ul>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">now guess the commit :-)</p> <p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">commit 311db796c68e520e5b6d28829d6aaa4bfbcd1536
Author: Matthias Ettrich <a \
href="mailto:ettrich@troll.no" \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
normal;">ettrich@troll.no</a>
Date: Thu Aug 19 23:26:42 1999 +0000</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;"><div class="codehilite" style="background: \
#f8f8f8"><pre style="line-height: 125%">Say hello to kwin. WARNING<span style="color: \
#666666">:</span> NOT USABLE YET. See README.
svn path<span style="color: #666666">=/</span>trunk<span style="color: \
#666666">/</span>kdebase<span style="color: #666666">/</span>kwin<span style="color: \
#666666">/</span>; revision<span style="color: #666666">=27871</span> </pre></div>
</p></pre>
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<p>- Martin</p>
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<p>On October 29th, 2014, 4:22 p.m. CET, Andre Heinecke wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for kwin, Plasma and Martin Gräßlin.</div>
<div>By Andre Heinecke.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Oct. 29, 2014, 4:22 p.m.</i></p>
<div style="margin-top: 1.5em;">
<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292566">292566</a>
</div>
<div style="margin-top: 1.5em;">
<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
kde-workspace
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
<table width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" \
style="border: 1px solid #b8b5a0"> <tr>
<td>
<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">I'm reopening this review request as I have updated \
this Window Switcher for Plasma 5.1 and would like to get another review to check if \
there are any suggestions or issues regarding the port to the new API.</p> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Secondly I would like to ask again to have this Window Switcher Layout \
included in the KWin repository. I would prefer it if users could obtain this layout \
from their trusted distributors and did not have to rely on an unverifyable third \
party download to obtain this plugin. </p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">As suggested in the \
original review I've put this up on kde-look and recieved some positive feedback. But \
I really feel that it is rotting away there and that KDE-Look is not a good place to \
distribute executable plugins.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">IMHO the approach of \
this Window Switcher is different enough from the others included in KWin to be a \
useful addition to the fold. Especially as this behavior is already familiar to KDE \
users from some versions < 4.6</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It should also be close \
enough to the other layouts like thumbnails to keep maintenance very similar (I've \
mostly looked at the changes made to thumbnails to adapt this for Plasma 5)</p> <p \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Original description:</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">This Layout tries to \
mimic some of the old KDE 4.6 tabbox behavior and layout, it scales the thumbnails \
shown in the tabbox to avoid scrolling. There are also three different states in this \
layout depending on the size of the scaled thumbnails to provide appropriate \
information even when there are many opened windows.</p> <p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">States: 1. Thumbnails are larger then 200px: Show the Title and the Icon of \
the Window directly below the thumbnail. 2. Thumbnails are between 200px and 64px: \
Thumbnails are shown together with the icon but only the title of the currently \
selected window is shown. 3. Thumbnails would be smaller then 64px: Only the Icons of \
the windows are shown and the title of the currently selected window (like big icons) \
If the Thumbnails would be smaller then 32px the tabbox starts to scroll in the Icon \
Only state.</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Size of the thumbnails depends on the screen size and \
the number of opened windows.</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
<table width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10" style="border: \
1px solid #b8b5a0"> <tr>
<td>
<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Tested with plasma 5.3.1 from Kubuntu next / unstable \
repositories.</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
<ul style="margin-left: 3em; padding-left: 0;">
<li>tabbox/qml/CMakeLists.txt <span style="color: grey">(fc55ab9)</span></li>
<li>tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/contents/ui/main.qml <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
<li>tabbox/qml/clients/scaling/metadata.desktop <span style="color: \
grey">(PRE-CREATION)</span></li>
</ul>
<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109832/diff/" style="margin-left: \
3em;">View Diff</a></p>
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