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Subject: Re: move plasma tools to plasmate
From: Shantanu Tushar Jha <shaan7in () gmail ! com>
Date: 2012-08-19 5:25:01
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Giorgos Tsiapaliokas <terietor@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> On 17 August 2012 16:24, Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I don't really see the point of doing that. I don't see why it's
>> better not to have them in kde-workspace is it troublesome for anyone?
>>
>
> From an aesthetic point of view,
>
> Q: Hello, where are the plasma tools? I want to create a new plasmoid.
> A: Inside kde-workspace you will find some tools which will make you life
> easier
> and in the plasmate repository you will find the plasma ide.
>
> That's why we want to move those tools in plasmate, we want our sdk to be
> neat. No?
>
+1 For The Plasma SDK, this makes sense.
>
>
> From a technical point of view,
> those are a few issues for which we have to move the plasma tools inside
> plasmate,
> 1. How can someone embed a binary inside a qwidget?
> Example: How can I embed the binary named plasmoidviewer inside
> plasmate's MainWindow::CentralContainer::CentralContainer??
>
Well you cannot, if you want both plasmoidviewer and plasmate to be able to
use it, you'll have to move the stuff to some qwidget (or maybe a KPart?)
so that they can share it.
>
> 2. Some tools when they are used as standalone applications require a few
> extra ui stuff.
> Example: when I execute plasmaremoteinstaller from plasmate I have a known
> source directory for my plasmoid(thanks to plasmate), but when
> I execute it as a standalone application I don't., so I need an extra
> kurlrequester. How can I hide a kurlrequester from a binary?
>
Not sure about how to solve this
>
>
> 3. duplication of code, plasmoidviewer vs plasma-previewer
>
where's plasma-previewer? Looks like I missed some news :P
>
> etc...
>
>
>> In any case, maybe you should put them in a separate repository?
>>
>
> I believe that this is an overkill and also we don't solve the above
> technical issues.
>
>
>> Everyone who has been using these tools so far, has done so without
>> Plasmate, so there's definitely a use case outside Plasmate.
>>
>
> When you say "plasmate" do you refer to the ide named plasmate or the
> repository?
> The plasma tools will be accessible both as standalone applications and as
> plasmate plugins.
>
> Also those tools aren't a use case outside plasmate. When those tools had
> been created plasmate didn't exist.
> Also after the creation of plasmate, the project wasn't really usable,
> but this has changed by now.
>
> --
> Giorgos Tsiapaliokas (terietor)
> KDE Developer
>
> terietor.gr
>
>
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>
Overall I +1 this proposal, and thanks for all the awesome work :)
--
Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530)
http://www.shantanutushar.com
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Giorgos \
Tsiapaliokas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:terietor@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">terietor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div \
class="im">On 17 August 2012 16:24, Aleix Pol <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org" target="_blank">aleixpol@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
I don't really see the point of doing that. I don't see why it's<br>
better not to have them in kde-workspace is it troublesome for \
anyone?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div><div>From an aesthetic point of \
view,</div><div><br></div><div>Q: Hello, where are the plasma tools? I want to create \
a new plasmoid.</div>
<div>A: Inside kde-workspace you will find some tools which will make you life \
easier</div><div>and in the plasmate repository you will find the plasma \
ide.</div><div><br></div><div>That's why we want to move those tools in plasmate, \
we want our sdk to be neat. No?</div> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>+1 For \
The Plasma SDK, this makes sense.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div \
dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"> <div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>From a technical point of view,</div><div>those \
are a few issues for which we have to move the plasma tools inside \
plasmate,</div><div>1. How can someone embed a binary inside a qwidget?</div>
<div>Example: How can I embed the binary named plasmoidviewer inside plasmate's \
MainWindow::CentralContainer::CentralContainer??</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Well \
you cannot, if you want both plasmoidviewer and plasmate to be able to use it, \
you'll have to move the stuff to some qwidget (or maybe a KPart?) so that they \
can share it.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div><div>2. Some tools when they are used as \
standalone applications require a few extra ui stuff.</div>
<div>Example: when I execute plasmaremoteinstaller from plasmate I have a known \
source directory for my plasmoid(thanks to plasmate), but when</div><div>I execute it \
as a standalone application I don't., so I need an extra kurlrequester. How can I \
hide a kurlrequester from a binary?<br> \
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Not sure about how to solve this<br> \
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"> <div><div> \
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 \
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div> <div><br></div><div>3. duplication of code, plasmoidviewer \
vs plasma-previewer</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>where's \
plasma-previewer? Looks like I missed some news :P<br> <br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div><div>etc...</div></div><div class="im"><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">
In any case, maybe you should put them in a separate \
repository?<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I believe that this is an \
overkill and also we don't solve the above technical issues.</div><div \
class="im"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Everyone who has been using these tools so far, has done so without<br>
Plasmate, so there's definitely a use case outside \
Plasmate.<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div><div>When you say \
"plasmate" do you refer to the ide named plasmate or the \
repository?</div><div>The plasma tools will be accessible both as standalone \
applications and as plasmate plugins.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also those tools aren't a use case outside plasmate. When \
those tools had been created plasmate didn't exist.</div><div>Also after the \
creation of plasmate, the project wasn't really usable, but this has changed by \
now. </div> <div class="im">
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">Giorgos Tsiapaliokas (terietor)<br>KDE \
Developer<br><br><a href="http://terietor.gr" \
target="_blank">terietor.gr</a></div><br> </div></div>
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<br></blockquote></div><br>Overall I +1 this proposal, and thanks for all the awesome \
work :)<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530)<br><a \
href="http://www.shantanutushar.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.shantanutushar.com</a><br>
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