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Subject: Re: Quality Team: LCD weather station and calendar (in panel) are really broken
From: Mark <markg85 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2012-06-14 18:17:40
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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David Edmundson <david@davidedmundson.co.uk
> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 14, 2012 13:15:34 Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
> >> You misread the Quality Team mail: we are asking for the LCD Weather
> >> Station Applet to be fixed for 4.9 or removed.
> >
> > i misread nothing. the request for it to be removed is denied.
> >
> > if you consider for a moment what this would do to people's otherwise
> working
> > installations, not to mention what it would mean for future incentive to
> fix
> > it, the reason for this should become evident.
> >
> >
> > p.s. i'm very happy that we have a more active Q/A team. i am not happy
> with
> > how it is sometimes handling issues. there was a commit reverted the
> other day
> > without checking with the original commiter nor the maintainer of the
> applet
> > or module which should never have been reverted. fortunately i was on
> irc and
> > watching commits that day. now we have a "no, remove it" statement which
> does
> > not fit the way we develop in plasma, which is:
> >
> > * as a team
> > * with communication
> >
> >
> > i'm sure the QA team can improve over time so that we can all work
> together
> > better. thanks ...
> >
> For communication between two teams to get better both teams need to
> improve.
>
> Plasma does not communicate as well as you imply, speaking as a person
> who is trying to get involved in Plasma and help fix things, there is
> so much resistance. Reviews are slow, replies on maliing lists (such
> as this one) can be very condescending instantly blaming an entire
> team for a lack of communication and most ML threads seem to derail
> into arguments.
>
> Have you discussed the weather LCD applet with the team before denying
> the request. I've not seen anything? Either you haven't, and have just
> decided on behalf of your entire team which isn't a good example of
> communication, or there's a communication channel which doesn't
> include me...which again isn't a good example of good inclusive
> communication.
>
> The real reason this happened this sort of things happens is because
> Plasma does not have an attitude of everyone doing reviews. Everyone
> will just follow the example set by everyone else. It's the perfect
> way of increasing communication between everyone so we all know what's
> going on. Especially once we've entered such a beta phase.
>
> David Edmundson
>
> > --
> > Aaron J. Seigo
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Just a FYI, http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/ seems to be free and
decent as well.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David Edmundson <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@davidedmundson.co.uk" \
target="_blank">david@davidedmundson.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Aaron J. Seigo \
<<a href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > On \
Thursday, June 14, 2012 13:15:34 Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:<br> >> You misread \
the Quality Team mail: we are asking for the LCD Weather<br> >> Station Applet \
to be fixed for 4.9 or removed.<br> ><br>
> i misread nothing. the request for it to be removed is denied.<br>
><br>
> if you consider for a moment what this would do to people's otherwise \
working<br> > installations, not to mention what it would mean for future \
incentive to fix<br> > it, the reason for this should become evident.<br>
><br>
><br>
> p.s. i'm very happy that we have a more active Q/A team. i am not happy \
with<br> > how it is sometimes handling issues. there was a commit reverted the \
other day<br> > without checking with the original commiter nor the maintainer of \
the applet<br> > or module which should never have been reverted. fortunately i \
was on irc and<br> > watching commits that day. now we have a "no, remove \
it" statement which does<br> > not fit the way we develop in plasma, which \
is:<br> ><br>
> * as a team<br>
> * with communication<br>
><br>
><br>
> i'm sure the QA team can improve over time so that we can all work \
together<br> > better. thanks ...<br>
><br>
</div></div>For communication between two teams to get better both teams need to \
improve.<br> <br>
Plasma does not communicate as well as you imply, speaking as a person<br>
who is trying to get involved in Plasma and help fix things, there is<br>
so much resistance. Reviews are slow, replies on maliing lists (such<br>
as this one) can be very condescending instantly blaming an entire<br>
team for a lack of communication and most ML threads seem to derail<br>
into arguments.<br>
<br>
Have you discussed the weather LCD applet with the team before denying<br>
the request. I've not seen anything? Either you haven't, and have just<br>
decided on behalf of your entire team which isn't a good example of<br>
communication, or there's a communication channel which doesn't<br>
include me...which again isn't a good example of good inclusive<br>
communication.<br>
<br>
The real reason this happened this sort of things happens is because<br>
Plasma does not have an attitude of everyone doing reviews. Everyone<br>
will just follow the example set by everyone else. It's the perfect<br>
way of increasing communication between everyone so we all know what's<br>
going on. Especially once we've entered such a beta phase.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
David Edmundson<br>
<br>
> --<br>
> Aaron J. Seigo<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> \
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel</a><br> ><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Just a FYI, <a \
href="http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/">http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/</a> \
seems to be free and decent as well.</div>
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