From kde-panel-devel Thu Oct 27 11:22:05 2011 From: "Aaron J. Seigo" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:22:05 +0000 To: kde-panel-devel Subject: Re: Creation of the kde-workspace team Message-Id: <8100998.nSpLX8dbop () freedom> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-panel-devel&m=131971457520704 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============7973342593725621893==" --===============7973342593725621893== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1581309.Z9dZPYSvQP"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --nextPart1581309.Z9dZPYSvQP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Thursday, October 27, 2011 13:01:09 Alex Fiestas wrote: > With KDE morphed into a community of subcommunities we need to create the > "Desktop" community so we can gather all people interested in the topic and > work together to continue working in what we do best, offer a unified > experience across all applications. first the points of dissent, to get them out of the way: i really do not want this named anything related to "workspace". we have worked very hard to get the name "workspace" separated from the applications and platform/frameworks. this is very important to our ability to communicate clearly about the applications and developer story, while simultaneously giving our efforts on plasma something of a firewall from the rest of the community. i also do not think a mailing list should be set up specifically for this. given experience elsewhere, mailing list focused solutions deteriorate over time (often rapidly) with unhelpful conversation, even though all parties are well-meaning. the causal factors as far as i can tell are: * too many who do not have the actual skills required get involved * it easy to write an email * real UX improvements need to be driven by storyboards, research, testing, use cases and use stories being created and shared * most UX designers are not comfortable with mailing list centric solutions, due to a lack of familiarity with and/or experience with past experiencts so mailing lists attract an undesirable mix of audience without having the right mix of high-bandwidth and structured tools at the heart of it. it is, after all, just a bunch of unstructured text. ok, so.. the dissent part of this email is done :) now agreements and support: i think such a project will benefit KDE software immensley. it needs to be driven by people who will create change through action. i also believe it needs to have people who are tollerant to dealing with the wider KDE community from time to time; dismissing the wider community will only create barriers and prevent application of results. so it will need an ambassador who wears asbestos and a mighty pen :) since i suggested not mailing list centric, how could this work, then? well, here's something i tried to set up some time ago[1] http://community.kde.org/Elegance perhaps you can draw some inspiration from that as a model where people create proposals with all the information needed, they are discussed when ready and moved into "accepted" status and then advocated to the KDE community in general (probably best done in the form of patches). this is a process- rather than conversation-driven model, and certainly not the only way to do it. it is a way that i personally feel would have a better chance of success than a conversation-driven one. [1] it was when i thought "ok, well, Plasma stuff is sort of on its own feet and i can concentrate on something new perhaps" (after which time the # of contributors shrank for various reasons and we got new things like QML and Active to take my attentions :) -- Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks --nextPart1581309.Z9dZPYSvQP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk6pPt0ACgkQ1rcusafx20MiXACgrP45EdhsOYr9WklFZq4ZvLld 3pkAn2RGWSWxbc/BiaZLrsQ/zr3LteDv =xxeI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1581309.Z9dZPYSvQP-- --===============7973342593725621893== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel --===============7973342593725621893==--