From kde-panel-devel Fri Aug 19 10:38:49 2011 From: Nuno Pinheiro Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:38:49 +0000 To: kde-panel-devel Subject: Re: RFC: Remove Opacity from Alt+F3 menu Message-Id: <201108191138.50304.nuno.pinheiro () kdab ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-panel-devel&m=131375036404406 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============9046391010643778258==" --===============9046391010643778258== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-01=_60jTOVWTH2uka06" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Boundary-01=_60jTOVWTH2uka06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Sexta, 19 de Agosto de 2011 01:15:29 David voc=EA escreveu: > I don't know why do you want to break every single thing. Even the > most little ones. Is converting user's experience into a nightmare > your passion? Nope but we tend to abuse on the amount of things we present to a user at a= =20 glance, wen we do this we pass an image of steep learning curve, and we mak= e=20 our software less atractive, specialy on this new world of 145 caracter=20 atention span. Im not saying we should go the gnome way and simple remove the features. bu= t=20 we should hide the 1% use features into a place were peoplethst do care wil= l=20 find it...in this case to me I would put an option to activate this feature= or=20 teach a shortcut to it in kwin configure options... as for " converting user's experience into a nightmare your passion?" I like to belive we try the oposite making it simpler for 90% of our users= =20 Me notes we can put yeat more options/features at the root level of any men= u=20 and I'm sure we will find users for them (that the holle point of the featu= re=20 any way) but we will end up with uterly unusable UI's like that. Some rules of thumb.... any list should not have more items than our brains= =20 short memory list aka (7 +- 2) depends on mother language aka 5. this is not valid for any app ofcourse if you want to send a message that y= our=20 app is powerfull and can do many things maybe showing a bit clutered with=20 features UI is a good thing... For everything else simple is better. and since kwin basic options is for everyone simple is defenitivly better. PS sory for typos=20 =2D-=20 Nuno Pinheiro | nuno.pinheiro@kdab.com | UI Designer=20 Klar=E4lvdalens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company KDAB - Qt Experts - Platform-independent software solutions --Boundary-01=_60jTOVWTH2uka06 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A Sexta, 19= de Agosto de 2011 01:15:29 David voc=EA escreveu:

> I don'= t know why do you want to break every single thing. Even the

> most l= ittle ones. Is converting user's experience into a nightmare

> your p= assion?

Nope but we= tend to abuse on the amount of things we present to a user at a glance, we= n we do this we pass an image of steep learning curve, and we make our soft= ware less atractive, specialy on this new world of 145 caracter atention sp= an.

Im not sayi= ng we should go the gnome way and simple remove the features. but we should= hide the 1% use features into a place were peoplethst do care will find it= =2E..in this case to me I would put an option to activate this feature or t= each a shortcut to it in kwin configure options...

as for &quo= t; converting user's experience into a nightmare your passion?"

I like to b= elive we try the oposite making it simpler for 90% of our users

Me notes we= can put yeat more options/features at the root level of any menu and I'm s= ure we will find users for them (that the holle point of the feature any wa= y) but we will end up with uterly unusable UI's like that.

Some rules = of thumb.... any list should not have more items than our brains short memo= ry list aka (7 +- 2) depends on mother language aka 5.

this is not= valid for any app ofcourse if you want to send a message that your app is = powerfull and can do many things maybe showing a bit clutered with features= UI is a good thing... For everything else simple is better.

and since k= win basic options is for everyone simple is defenitivly better.

PS sory for= typos

Nuno Pinhei= ro | nuno.pinheiro@kdab.com | UI Designer

Klar=E4lvda= lens Datakonsult AB, a KDAB Group company

KDAB - Qt E= xperts - Platform-independent software solutions

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