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List:       kde-panel-devel
Subject:    Re: the next step on the desktop
From:       Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E4=DFlin?= <kde () martin-graesslin ! com>
Date:       2011-02-04 6:15:25
Message-ID: 1296800125.9693.5.camel () Nokia-N900-51-1
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----- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -----
> On Thursday, February 3, 2011, alex.tolar wrote:
> > Good night everybody,
> > 
> > I'm not using Windows since Ubuntu Dapper Drake, and Macintosh since
> > before the colored iMacs: can't care less. Win7, OsX, Gnome3, Unity
> > and many minor distros adopted a Dock: maybe not for a fool reason at
> > all. I'm not
> 
> well, tbh, it's something like this:
> 
> * MacOS uses a dock 
> * it becomes an object of desire
> * Microsoft freaks out, does what it does: copies
> * Canonical wants to become an object of desire, mimics Mac in many ways
> 
> i don't think there's been a lot of critical thinking about dock usage.
> in   fact, the mac dock was roundly criticized when it came out by
> usability folks.   i'm not dead set against a dock, but i am against
> doing something because it's   a trend. and with docks, that's what we
> have here.
I'm really, really against docks. Mac has constructed their complete workflow around \
the dock system. Their window system supports it - our dosn't. The best we can get is \
a bad copy and we can do better. Let's not copy the dock but make tasks bar better.

Cheers
Martin

> 
> > possibilities and polish. The great game, probably, is setting then the
> > defaults. :)
> 
> yes :)
> 
> > http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-bitterock
> > About having an icon-only launcher/task manager on the panel: there
> > are 3 GREAT benefits:
> > 1) Single-instance applications
> > - Why having 4 Dolphins instances when you have tabs support?
> 
> because i -want- two windows open?
> 
> > Talking also about memory resources! 
> 
> many multi-window apps are single process these days.
> 
> > - It's not pleasant to accidentally run 2 instances of Amarok or Skype 
> 
> amarok is a single instance app, skype is just plain broken.
> 
> > 2) Friendly to touchscreens, which are probably the future.
> 
> if the number of items is kept to a minimum, yes.
> 
> > 3) Last, but not least: ditching the Application status icons!
> 
> that's doable with the current tasks widget as well, so this isn't a
> benefit   of a dock.
> 
> > About Tool Box
> > - There's a huge practical problem with the Tool Box: it must not be
> > covered by windows. That's a good reason (and a good idea!) why it
> > should be moved to Krunner. 
> 
> it configures something that is covered by windows though :) keeping
> controls   contextual is important imo
> 
> > - could be a bonus to automatically launch Krunner
> > when switching to a Dashboard?
> 
> interesting idea to try out...
> 
> -- 
> Aaron J. Seigo
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