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From: Alessandro Diaferia <alediaferia () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-03-29 19:12:35
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2010/3/29 Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@kde.org>
> On March 26, 2010, Christophe Olinger wrote:
> > This is not 100 % true. At the moment Shantanu and me try to have it
> > also scale down to netbook size screens. This will be a bigger user
> > base in the future than big tv screens IMHO. Also that is my
>
> i should have been more specific. by "large screens" i meant things larger
> than the n900 or the Jax10's we had at tokamak 4.
>
> i think a primary use case for PMC will be laptops, with T.V.s being a
> secodary one.
>
> as Zack points out, more important than screen size, however, is the input
> device. on pocketable devices, that is your finger (or, at worst, a
> stylus).
> on laptops, that's a keyboard and mouse. on a T.V. it's a hand-held remote
> control.
>
> i don't think we can sanely target both pocketable devices and
> laptops/T.V.s
> due to this. i do think we can target both laptops and T.V.s, however. the
> reason for this is that while the T.V. is limited by a remote control
> input,
> on the laptop use case when one fires up a full screen mediacenter (which
> is
> what PMC should be) you want to go into a simplified user experience that
> is
> centered around media viewing.
>
> if you want something richer, that doesn't take over the whole display and
> with more point-and-click finesse, that's what apps like kaffeine and
> amarok
> are for.
>
> this means that PMC only needs to address the same audiences that plasma-
> desktop or plasma-netbook would, and should be aiming for a UI that is
> clear
> enough that even a remote control is good enough.
>
> to go down this path a little bit more, even, here are some typical use
> cases
> i have in mind for PMC based on observation of today's typical computer
> user:
>
> * Joe is on a train / airplane travelling between two cities. The trip is
> long
> enough to watch the latest episode of his favourite T.V. show which he
> downloaded the night before from his PVR at home. Joe pops open his laptop,
> clicks on the Desktop Toolbox and selects "Media Center". PMC loads and he
> selects "Video", which presents a list of videos on his internal hard
> drive.
>
> * Jane is at home and wants to show her dinner guests pictures from the
> recent
> weekend trip she went on. Jane plugs her laptop into the living room
> television, opens the application launcher (Kickoff, Lancelot) and selects
> "Media Center". PMC starts up and she selects "Photos" which shows various
> sets of photo albums. After going through the "Weekend Ski Trip" photos,
> she
> goes back and selects Videos -> Youtube and loads a Youtube playlist of top
> 40
> music videos to play in the background while they visit.
>
> * Jaqueline sits down on the couch with her husband Jack and they turn on
> the
> television and their Plasma Media Center set top box.
> They grab the remote
>
or, better, their Wii Mote and just shake it =)
> control and check the videos that they had recorded / downloaded but
> haven't
> watched yet. They select an episode of House and another of Fawlty Towers
> and
> press "Play".
> now, these are the use cases i have in my mind. they may be different from
> those working on PMC have. hopefully not, but it's certainly possible. :)
> we
> should therefore get to documenting what's being done here. i've gone ahead
> and started a page here:
>
> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Plasma_Media_Center
That's great Aaron, i'll spread the voice!
>
>
> feel free to change any and all content and add, add, add more to it.
>
> the use cases above do provide some interesting insights, though: it would
> be
> sensible to have a Digikam photo provider for PMC so that one can create
> their
> photo albums in Digikam and then later view those same albums in PMC. it
> would
> be sensible to have some notion of what's been watched and be able to set
> up
> simple "playlists" by selecting mutiple items from a list of available
> media.
> it doesn't matter if PMC works on the N900 well.
>
> thoughts?
>
> --
> Aaron J. Seigo
> humru othro a kohnu se
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>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/3/29 Aaron J. Seigo <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:aseigo@kde.org">aseigo@kde.org</a>></span><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On March 26, 2010, Christophe Olinger \
wrote:<br> > This is not 100 % true. At the moment Shantanu and me try to have \
it<br> > also scale down to netbook size screens. This will be a bigger user<br>
> base in the future than big tv screens IMHO. Also that is my<br>
<br>
</div>i should have been more specific. by "large screens" i meant things \
larger<br> than the n900 or the Jax10's we had at tokamak 4.<br>
<br>
i think a primary use case for PMC will be laptops, with T.V.s being a<br>
secodary one.<br>
<br>
as Zack points out, more important than screen size, however, is the input<br>
device. on pocketable devices, that is your finger (or, at worst, a stylus).<br>
on laptops, that's a keyboard and mouse. on a T.V. it's a hand-held \
remote<br> control.<br>
<br>
i don't think we can sanely target both pocketable devices and laptops/T.V.s<br>
due to this. i do think we can target both laptops and T.V.s, however. the<br>
reason for this is that while the T.V. is limited by a remote control input,<br>
on the laptop use case when one fires up a full screen mediacenter (which is<br>
what PMC should be) you want to go into a simplified user experience that is<br>
centered around media viewing.<br>
<br>
if you want something richer, that doesn't take over the whole display and<br>
with more point-and-click finesse, that's what apps like kaffeine and amarok<br>
are for.<br>
<br>
this means that PMC only needs to address the same audiences that plasma-<br>
desktop or plasma-netbook would, and should be aiming for a UI that is clear<br>
enough that even a remote control is good enough.<br>
<br>
to go down this path a little bit more, even, here are some typical use cases<br>
i have in mind for PMC based on observation of today's typical computer user:<br>
<br>
* Joe is on a train / airplane travelling between two cities. The trip is long<br>
enough to watch the latest episode of his favourite T.V. show which he<br>
downloaded the night before from his PVR at home. Joe pops open his laptop,<br>
clicks on the Desktop Toolbox and selects "Media Center". PMC loads and \
he<br> selects "Video", which presents a list of videos on his internal \
hard drive.<br> <br>
* Jane is at home and wants to show her dinner guests pictures from the recent<br>
weekend trip she went on. Jane plugs her laptop into the living room<br>
television, opens the application launcher (Kickoff, Lancelot) and selects<br>
"Media Center". PMC starts up and she selects "Photos" which \
shows various<br> sets of photo albums. After going through the "Weekend Ski \
Trip" photos, she<br> goes back and selects Videos -> Youtube and loads a \
Youtube playlist of top 40<br> music videos to play in the background while they \
visit.<br> <br>
* Jaqueline sits down on the couch with her husband Jack and they turn on the<br>
television and their Plasma Media Center set top box.</blockquote><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> They grab the remote<br></blockquote><div> \
<br></div><div>or, better, their Wii Mote and just shake it =)</div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> control and check the videos that they had recorded / \
downloaded but haven't<br> watched yet. They select an episode of House and \
another of Fawlty Towers and<br> press "Play". </blockquote><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br>
now, these are the use cases i have in my mind. they may be different from<br>
those working on PMC have. hopefully not, but it's certainly possible. :) we<br>
should therefore get to documenting what's being done here. i've gone \
ahead<br> and started a page here:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Plasma_Media_Center" \
target="_blank">http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Plasma_Media_Center</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's \
great Aaron, i'll spread the voice! </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br> <br>
feel free to change any and all content and add, add, add more to it.<br>
<br>
the use cases above do provide some interesting insights, though: it would be<br>
sensible to have a Digikam photo provider for PMC so that one can create their<br>
photo albums in Digikam and then later view those same albums in PMC. it would<br>
be sensible to have some notion of what's been watched and be able to set up<br>
simple "playlists" by selecting mutiple items from a list of available \
media.<br> it doesn't matter if PMC works on the N900 well.<br>
<br>
thoughts?<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
--<br>
Aaron J. Seigo<br>
humru othro a kohnu se<br>
GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43<br>
<br>
KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alessandro \
Diaferia<br>KDE Developer<br>KDE e.V. member<br><br>
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