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Subject: Re: PlasMate ~ UI and other stuff
From: Shantanu Tushar Jha <jhahoneyk () gmail ! com>
Date: 2009-10-18 18:24:11
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Yuen Hoe Lim <yuenhoe86@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Haven't heard from you (plasmate) guys for awhile, guess you guys are busy
> :) Anyway, just like some input here. As per the
Ugh, just ban exams in universities :P
quick discussion the other day, I recently had the editor component tree
> widget separated out into a new dock widget, so it no longer gets replaced
> by the katepart that gets loaded when you click a file. I've been toying
> around with the layout and dockwidget positionings since - and I can't help
> thinking that, with the addition of this new dockwidget, the whole UI has
> become awfully cluttered. This is about the best layout I can come up with
> atm:
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/yuenhoe/plasmateclutter.jpg
>
>
I think the main problem now is that there are too many 'vertical'
> dockwidgets - the timeline, the sidebar, and now the editor tree. Vertical
> dockwidgets only fit naturally on the left/right dockareas, but having three
> of them there, plus the mainwidget in the center, really makes the thing
> so... layered, and crowded. Not to mention virtually unusable on a small
> screen.
>
> Well, until we find out a solution, using them tabbed (just try moving one
dock widget over another) can help, but at the cost of more clicks, so a bad
interface.
What about making the siebar into a toolbar? Or make it smaller?
Some possible ways around it:
>
> - Make one (or more) of the 'vertical' dockwidgets 'horizontal' so that
> we can fit it snugly on the top dockarea instead. I think the editor tree
> has to stay vertical, so it'd have to be either the sidebar actions menu or
> the timeline widget, both of which I'm loathe to touch without first
> consulting with you all :) Those two are now QListWidget derivatives, and it
> doesn't look like there's an easy way to 'horizontalize' them without
> rewriting quite abit of code.
> - The old mockups:
>
> http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3j9/plasmate-editor2
> http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3cg/plasmate-editor-timeline
>
> suggested an interesting 'overlay' effect for the timeline - and also
> that the timeline be hidden all the time until a button at the bottom is
> clicked.
> - I dunno... ideas?
>
> Also, it seems like alot of stuff with PlasMate is currently 'hanging'. The
> timeline seems to work nicely, but what's gonna happen with the missing
> publish widget and documentation widget? I've been spending my free time
> hacking away at the editor and previewer and there are certainly plenty more
> work needed with those two but I was just wondering about the larger view of
> the project, since no one seems to be paying much attention to it at the
> moment :)
>
I think you have an idea about how to 'run' a scripted plasmoid, so, whats
needed at this point to add that to Plasmate?
>
> ----
> Jason "moofang" Lim Yuen Hoe
> http://yuenhoe.co.cc/
>
>
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>
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Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530)
http://www.shantanutushar.com
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Yuen Hoe Lim <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yuenhoe86@gmail.com">yuenhoe86@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br><br>Haven't heard \
from you (plasmate) guys for awhile, guess you guys are busy :) Anyway, just like \
some input here. As per the </blockquote><div><br>Ugh, just ban exams in universities \
:P<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> quick discussion \
the other day, I recently had the editor component tree widget separated out into a \
new dock widget, so it no longer gets replaced by the katepart that gets loaded when \
you click a file. I've been toying around with the layout and dockwidget \
positionings since - and I can't help thinking that, with the addition of this \
new dockwidget, the whole UI has become awfully cluttered. This is about the best \
layout I can come up with atm:<br>
<br><a href="http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/yuenhoe/plasmateclutter.jpg" \
target="_blank">http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/yuenhoe/plasmateclutter.jpg</a><br> \
<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I think the main \
problem now is that there are too many 'vertical' dockwidgets - the timeline, \
the sidebar, and now the editor tree. Vertical dockwidgets only fit naturally on the \
left/right dockareas, but having three of them there, plus the mainwidget in the \
center, really makes the thing so... layered, and crowded. Not to mention virtually \
unusable on a small screen.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Well, until we find out a solution, using them tabbed (just try \
moving one dock widget over another) can help, but at the cost of more clicks, so a \
bad interface.<br>What about making the siebar into a toolbar? Or make it \
smaller?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Some possible ways \
around it:<br><ul><li>Make one (or more) of the 'vertical' dockwidgets \
'horizontal' so that we can fit it snugly on the top dockarea instead. I \
think the editor tree has to stay vertical, so it'd have to be either the sidebar \
actions menu or the timeline widget, both of which I'm loathe to touch without \
first consulting with you all :) Those two are now QListWidget derivatives, and it \
doesn't look like there's an easy way to 'horizontalize' them without \
rewriting quite abit of code.</li>
<li>The old mockups:<br><br><a \
href="http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3j9/plasmate-editor2" \
target="_blank">http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3j9/<span>plasmate</span>-editor2</a><br>
<a href="http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3cg/plasmate-editor-timeline" \
target="_blank">http://skitch.com/michaelrudolph/ba3cg/<span>plasmate</span>-editor-timeline</a> \
<br><br>suggested an interesting 'overlay' effect for the timeline - and also \
that the timeline be hidden all the time until a button at the bottom is \
clicked.</li>
<li>I dunno... ideas?</li></ul>Also, it seems like alot of stuff with PlasMate is \
currently 'hanging'. The timeline seems to work nicely, but what's gonna \
happen with the missing publish widget and documentation widget? I've been \
spending my free time hacking away at the editor and previewer and there are \
certainly plenty more work needed with those two but I was just wondering about the \
larger view of the project, since no one seems to be paying much attention to it at \
the moment :)<br> </blockquote><div><br>I think you have an idea about how to \
'run' a scripted plasmoid, so, whats needed at this point to add that to \
Plasmate?<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br clear="all">----<br>Jason "moofang" Lim Yuen Hoe<br><a \
href="http://yuenhoe.co.cc/" target="_blank">http://yuenhoe.co.cc/</a><br><br> \
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Shantanu Tushar (UTC \
+0530)<br><a href="http://www.shantanutushar.com">http://www.shantanutushar.com</a><br>
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