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Subject: Re: After KDE 4.1 release: GHNS and other issues
From: "Richard Dale" <richard.j.dale () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-07-30 17:47:51
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Frank Karlitschek <karlitschek@kde.org>wro=
te:
>
> On 30.07.2008, at 16:27, Daniel Winter wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> > first thank you all for your impressive work the last months.
> >
> > After the 4.1 release I read a lot of reviews on differrent english
> > and german
> > websites. As you propably already knows: Most of them are really
> > positive
> > about plasma.
> >
> > But I also read a lot of reader comments to the reviews. And was the
> > first
> > hours after release arround in #kde to answer questions of new kde
> > 4(.1)
> > users.
> >
> > Most of the questions are plasma releated:
> >
> > 1. A lot of users have problems to figure out all config features.
> > (move applets
> > seam to be a problem for a lot of users, I even read two
> > professional reviews
> > where the author was not happy because he couldn't move applets).
> >
> > And some didn't even find a way to resize the panel. lock/unlock is
> > also not
> > easy to understand if you are not used to it.
> >
> > I know you are aware of this issues and a welcome applet is planed
> > which
> > explains such things to new users.
> >
> > What about some quick solution for 4.1.1? A short (about 2 minutes)
> > video on
> > the desktop which shows resizing and moving? Or Konqueror opens a
> > local html
> > on the first start which some static html page with some screenshots
> > with a
> > short text which shows moving, resizing, locking unlocking... I
> > think that
> > could hlep users to find out about that features.
> >
> > 2. GHNS:
> >
> > That is an other very common questions in comment posts to reviews or
> > yesterday in #kde.
> >
> > "I tried to install a applet with the "get new applets from internet"
> > function. It says installed but I can not find it"
> >
> > I know you are aware of this problem. But this not working downalods
> > which are
> > saying installed anyway make a bad first impression. It shows all
> > this nice
> > applets, you try to install them and it just doesn't work.
> >
> > Would it be possible to get in contact with the kde-apps.org people
> > and work
> > togethter with them to remove those non working binary/c++ source
> > loading
> > applets from the ghns "feed" for install applets?
>
>
> I=B4m runnng KDE-Apps.org.
> The problem is that nearly ever plasmoid on KDE-Apps is a C++
> plasmoid. So downloading via GHNS doesn=B4t work, of course.
>
> We need stable bindings for scripting languages and a review system
> for the plasmoids first.
>
> I would like to discuss and work on the system at akademy.
I'll be at Akademy, and I'm very keen to help get the Ruby and C# Plasma
bindings working with GHNS as plasmoid packages. I think they are pretty
close to being stable and fully working, but need more documentation and
examples. And the uploader app needs to be working too.
A .desktop version seems to have been introduced recently and I've no idea
what versions script engines or plasma package .desktop files are supposed
to have.
-- Richard
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<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:12 PM, \
Frank Karlitschek <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:karlitschek@kde.org">karlitschek@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br>
On 30.07.2008, at 16:27, Daniel Winter wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
> first thank you all for your impressive work the last months.<br>
><br>
> After the 4.1 release I read a lot of reviews on differrent english<br>
> and german<br>
> websites. As you propably already knows: Most of them are really<br>
> positive<br>
> about plasma.<br>
><br>
> But I also read a lot of reader comments to the reviews. And was the<br>
> first<br>
> hours after release arround in #kde to answer questions of new kde<br>
> 4(.1)<br>
> users.<br>
><br>
> Most of the questions are plasma releated:<br>
><br>
> 1. A lot of users have problems to figure out all config features.<br>
> (move applets<br>
> seam to be a problem for a lot of users, I even read two<br>
> professional reviews<br>
> where the author was not happy because he couldn't move applets).<br>
><br>
> And some didn't even find a way to resize the panel. lock/unlock is<br>
> also not<br>
> easy to understand if you are not used to it.<br>
><br>
> I know you are aware of this issues and a welcome applet is planed<br>
> which<br>
> explains such things to new users.<br>
><br>
> What about some quick solution for 4.1.1? A short (about 2 minutes)<br>
> video on<br>
> the desktop which shows resizing and moving? Or Konqueror opens a<br>
> local html<br>
> on the first start which some static html page with some screenshots<br>
> with a<br>
> short text which shows moving, resizing, locking unlocking... I<br>
> think that<br>
> could hlep users to find out about that features.<br>
><br>
> 2. GHNS:<br>
><br>
> That is an other very common questions in comment posts to reviews or<br>
> yesterday in #kde.<br>
><br>
> "I tried to install a applet with the "get new applets from \
internet"<br> > function. It says installed but I can not find it"<br>
><br>
> I know you are aware of this problem. But this not working downalods<br>
> which are<br>
> saying installed anyway make a bad first impression. It shows all<br>
> this nice<br>
> applets, you try to install them and it just doesn't work.<br>
><br>
> Would it be possible to get in contact with the <a href="http://kde-apps.org" \
target="_blank">kde-apps.org</a> people<br> > and work<br>
> togethter with them to remove those non working binary/c++ source<br>
> loading<br>
> applets from the ghns "feed" for install \
applets?</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
</div></div>I´m runnng KDE-Apps.org.<br>
The problem is that nearly ever plasmoid on KDE-Apps is a C++<br>
plasmoid. So downloading via GHNS doesn´t work, of course.<br>
<br>
We need stable bindings for scripting languages and a review system<br>
for the plasmoids first.<br>
<br>
I would like to discuss and work on the system at akademy.</blockquote><div>I'll \
be at Akademy, and I'm very keen to help get the Ruby and C# Plasma bindings \
working with GHNS as plasmoid packages. I think they are pretty close to being stable \
and fully working, but need more documentation and examples. And the uploader app \
needs to be working too.<br> <br>A .desktop version seems to have been introduced \
recently and I've no idea what versions script engines or plasma package .desktop \
files are supposed to have.<br><br>-- Richard<br></div></div><br></div>
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