From kde-panel-devel Sun Oct 21 21:23:00 2007 From: Sebastian =?iso-8859-15?q?K=FCgler?= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:23:00 +0000 To: kde-panel-devel Subject: Re: [Panel-devel] A better toolbox UI Message-Id: <200710212323.11048.sebas () kde ! org> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-panel-devel&m=119300183132448 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============1964770049==" --===============1964770049== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1223826.V9VrRXOJM2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1223826.V9VrRXOJM2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 19 October 2007 22:08:12 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday 19 October 2007, Sebastian K=FCgler wrote: > > I'm still not getting the purpose of this thing. I hope you can relief = my > > doubts about this piece of the plasma UI: > > sure. > > > - It's in the top-right corner, which already is used for two things (in > > my setup): Closing an application and kwin's expose effect > > show me how this interferes with closing an application and i'll provide = an > answer to that. The upper right corner is used for closing maximized application. I guess t= his=20 isn't that big of a deal though. > kwin's expose effect: that's a really shitty conflict indeed. i'll have to > talk with the kwin boys about it. > > > - With the old toolbox, as soon as something ends up behind this thing, > > it's very frustrating getting it back. > > there's a reason the old one is gone, and why this one is in the upper > right corner. we could also probably provide an occlusion area ensuring > that widgets never end up permanently behind it. Yup, that would make sense. > > - In the old toolbox, it sometimes got hard to handle it. The toolbox > > would slide out as soon as the mouse left the area, which happend rather > > often, especially when scrolling > > which is why: > > - there will only be clickable buttons that bring up other pieces of UI in > the toolbox That sounds much more usable. Dragging and dropping on a moving object was = the=20 one that I found hard to handle. > - we aren't using a QWidget but a QGraphicsItem this time (well, that and > the flicker the widget induced) > > > I'd be happy to be shown the rationale behind this funny way of putting= a > > UI somewhere. > > i'm not even sure why i should have to answer this, other than as a way to > use my time and try my patience. I realised that this sounded rather harsh. The meaning of this email was mu= ch=20 more a "Hey can someone explain me how that is supposed to look like?" than= =20 anything else. Modulo my stupidity and inexperience. The upper part of the email actually makes me pretty confident, those are=20 pretty much all technical issues. > i'm sorry you all had to put up with the old toolbox for so long. i said > from day ONE that it was a TEMPORARY way for people (particularly myself) > to get at development and debugging tools. i'm sorry that it is confusing > for people to grasp the concepts i'm working with or to disentangle > "temporary, debugging purpose" from "now we're working on something usabl= e" > in your mind. > > but i'm really not prepared to justify myself to everyone every day, day > after day. you have no idea how many times i've been ready to just walk > away from maintainership of this project and say "ok, you guys figure it > out." due to this. > > maybe ask the people who were at dev days just how stupid the design > concepts are, as we got to have a really nice in person talk about and de= mo > of it all. but i'm really not prepared to spend another day's energy being > grilled about things online or educate the Nth person on various ideas of > UI theory. i've lost too many weeks of time, energy and motivation to tha= t. > > it's pretty obvious why free software ends up being the same boring shit > over and over again, because to do anything interesting requires that you > either tell everyone to fuck off (because they won't get it until they see > it anyways, and until then they just pester you) or have the patience of a > saint (to deal with the constant and irreverent barrage). > > i don't want to do the former and i really don't know if i have the latte= r. I really didn't mean to stress this latter. I will have to mail you a perso= nal=20 voodoo doll. "Use anytime sebas is stretching it too far". If that doesn't= =20 help, I'll put a bottle of wine in the same package. :-) As to the former, I do understand this frustration. Maybe this comes with=20 being the Robby Williams (Andy Warhol, Jessica Rabbit, Rembrandt van Rijn) = of=20 =46ree Software, nice, popular and generally gorgeous. Just like KDE. Otherwise, plasma is becoming pretty usable lately. This doesn't happen by= =20 itself and is not going unnoticed. =2D-=20 sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9=20 --nextPart1223826.V9VrRXOJM2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUARxvDPmdNh9WRGQ75AQLIqQf/aeetbpWiWUe/haRQBNoMl6hCljsU0kOI KKRO2ag4PS842AnXj+/lfYB7oSOKQ3BFbWmzRqFLlxV/8GW3WqUYMJhuOHmSmADC dZXuWZ5M1y52onOil5jS6ziG8+astq/2HW2LFroA0vZUHV3a72j+5GjOKWaCL7aS MzrBhxpBJlIHEr6HqUrB2jI3cfxwXsiHmw62A09F9JWl5dO8mZtBJyzQZf2CJ1Xw ps0k/B5tJr0EJLyDX0MszhZqTVhkeKhEUFt+ryzRq1PfKlTQKHztQxImEWvJPqQU 8EsddkJmIMxRdSMzFxPILOnSKQPnuQhr/qgtNHcJEfcn9hbMpi8bJA== =4Sn/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1223826.V9VrRXOJM2-- --===============1964770049== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Panel-devel mailing list Panel-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/panel-devel --===============1964770049==--