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List:       kde-look
Subject:    Re: Reply
From:       George Mitchell <ghmitch () neteze ! com>
Date:       2001-02-15 0:44:53
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Paul,

I am a KDE user.  I am quite happy with KDE the way it is.  Did it ever occur to
you that different people might have different preferences and that
YOUR OPINIONS might be just that, opinions.  You are approaching this whole
thing very subjectively at the same time you are trying to convince everybody
how objective your critiques are.  I simply fail to see what you are trying to
achieve here.  Is somebody about to force you to use KDE?  It's as if I was the
happy owner of a Honda, and then spent all my time at the Mercedes dealership
haranguing them about making their product more like Honda's.  Has it ever
occurred to you the your time might be better invested by going to the BlackBox
team with your 'enhancement' requests?  You are really just wasting not only
your time, but the time of everybody who is subscribed to this list, many of
whom have far better things to do with their time.  Remember Paul, its all about
choice, and there are some of us who use KDE because we like it, and even prefer
it to Windows.  You may not be able to figure all that out, but life is like
that sometimes.

George Mitchell
ghmitch@neteze.com

Paul Fredlein wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> It's the KDE Desktop (and GNOME's) which I dislike. They both look like a
> poor man's version of Windows with the desktop full of icons, a fat dumb
> task-bar and a "start" button.
>
> I refer to KDE and GNOME together as far as I, as an end user, is concerned
> there is NO DIFFERENCE in the user experience. I don't care if perhaps KDE's
> SDK's and API's are more advanced than GNOMEs, I don't see the difference on
> the desktop.
>
> Compare this with BlackBox which has only a small bar at the bottom of the
> screen but it actually conveys more information about what workspace is
> current and the apps running within it than does KDE or GNOME and it does it
> in a smaller space, less clutter and is simply ELEGANT. Clicking the
> appropriate mouse button on the desktop lets you choose workspace and/or
> applications. You DON'T NEED A START BITTON.
>
> You can actually launch all of KDE's and GNOME's applications from BlackBox
> without launching their respective desktops.
>
> Of course all windows whether they be MacOS, Win, BeOS or KDE must contain
> essential controls such as scroll bars, close, maximise & minimise boxes etc
> so as far as programming is concerned there's not really much difference
> between all the OSes except that a function to initialise a window may have
> a different name and perhaps one or two argument passed to that function may
> differ but it's all essentially the same stuff. So the argument about it
> being easier for a programmer new to KDE to feel at home because it looks
> like Windows is crap.
>
> Also, the argument that it's easier for a Linux newbie to feel at home
> because KDE look like windows is also crap - give linux users credit for
> some intelligence, don't treat them like dummies. Most are probably looking
> for an alternative to Windows so let's give them something that WOWs them.
>
> Have a good look at BeOS, it's also clean, uncluttered and some imagination
> went into producing the look and feel. It's a little strange at first but
> you gradually get to know and like it. Like the MacOS it's the little things
> (that are usually hard to convey to non-users) that make it elegant.
>
> So, it's not the GUI (although there needs to be some work done on that)
> it's the LACK OF IMAGINATION AND THE UNRIVALLED MEDIOCRITY of the KDE &
> GNOME Desktop that I find unsatisfactory.
>
> I strongly believe that to succeed you don't copy you innovate, of course
> the risks are greater but the rewards are more satisfying. As far as KDE &
> GNOME - there is no innovation.
>
> Briefly: KDE and GNOME equals MEDIOCRITY it does NOT equal innovation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
>
> > From: Rick Sivernell <res005ru@gte.net>
> > Organization: D & R Consulting
> > Reply-To: res005ru@gte.net
> > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:30:12 -0600
> > To: Paul Fredlein <P.Fredlein@uq.net.au>
> > Subject: Reply
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > A quick question?  Please explain to me what it is that you do not like
> > about the KDE.  What do BlackBox & AfterStep have that kde does not.
> > I like kde as it does make life easier, I do not really like MS as the code
> > is so very buggy. I do like a GUI.
> >
> > Not every one does, and everyone's opion counts at least with me.
> >
> > Have a good day, hope to hear from you.
> >
> > Rick Sivernell
> > D & R Consulting
> > Dallas, Texas 75287
> > res005ru@gte.net
> >

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