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List:       kde-look
Subject:    Re: Function key mappings proposal (long-ish) (was:Re:Aestheticconsiderations)
From:       "Ted Clancy" <ted_clancy () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2000-05-22 19:42:46
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Marko wrote:

>Why would developers need to do that? They could, as they do now, define
>them only for english (C locale). Translators would be the one, who
>would localize them and set the standard for their country/language
>group.

And would these translators be commissioned by KDE? Otherwise, which 
translator would be defining the standard for their locale? It'd be 
unfortunate if different translators were using different keys for the same 
commands in a given locale.

> > Surely this is another good reason for putting the standard shortcuts on 
>the
> > function keys.
>
>You mean so they are nonsensical for everybody?

I mean so that they are the same for everyone.

And I'd hardly say that Control-Z for Undo, Control-X for Cut, Control-V for 
Paste, F1 for help, F3 for FindNext, and Control-W for Close are sensible, 
even to someone who speaks English. It just seems easy to us because we're 
used to them.

>Yes, and this is what we are opposing to. The big question is why would
>they need to be deprecated? If they are so worse, then nobody would use
>them anyway.
>
>Btw, I know you said that it would confuse users, but I'm not convinced
>by that.

Really? Then why were Alt-BkSpc, Shift-Delete, Control-Insert, and 
Shift-Insert deprecated when Control-Z/X/C/V were introduced?

In any case, it doesn't really matter if the old shortcuts are documented or 
not. The only place the user's going to see the shortcuts is next to the 
menu text on the menus, and as long as they see the new shortcuts, 
everything is fine.

If they see the new shortcuts on some menus and the old shortcuts on other 
menus, then they'll get confused.

>They are not stupid.

No, they're not stupid. They're just learning, that's all.

Ted.

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