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List:       kde-look
Subject:    *** MDI - my last statement ***
From:       Peter Penz <peter.penz () jk ! uni-linz ! ac ! at>
Date:       1999-09-23 9:19:56
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It seems the whole discussion starts again... 

Please have look at the current KDE-applications and their file-menu.
There is allready no standard-behaviour, some us Quit, some Exit, some
Exit & Close... and even worse: a Close of one application doesn't
always the same as in another application. 

You ask why? Because in the earlier standards there was said we need an
'Exit' and a 'Close', which doesn't work on a SDI. The best proof for
that are 90 % of the KDE-applications.

So we tried to rework this point and used a 'Quit', which is
defacto-standard on a SDI. 

Now some people say, we need to have MDI or that we HAVE allready a MDI
(StarOffice, ...). It's not true that we have a MDI. There's no
discussion about that, because it's well defined what a MDI is and what
not. e. g. StarOffice, Gimp, ... have no MDI.

If we get a MDI in future: we'll have to put something into the
standards - yes. BUT WHY BUT SOMETHING INTO THE STANDARDS, WHICH CAN'T
IMPLEMENTED?

> If you want your guidelines be adopted by KDE developers you might want to
> choose for a constructive dialog with them instead of referring them to another
> list.
We want a constructive dialog, but it's not constructive talking about
MDI, if we don't have one.

About the standards and some developers on this list: I know
applications you made, which even don't respect the Exit/Close of the
earlier-standards. Nobody can't force you to respect the standards. But
please understand us: we can't put something into the standards which
isn't consistent.

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I made this suggestion 1 week ago, but again: everybody who isn't happy
with the current Quit/Windows-page, should make a html-page and I'll add
a link into the standards-page. Then we can discuss which behaviour is
better.
=====================================================

It makes no sense if we write 50 mails to kde-look and nobody
reads/understands the arguments of the other. So please: make a
html-page and I'll add a link.

End, over and out :-)
Peter

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