On Wednesday 28 August 2002 14:23, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:36, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > Today it just struck me: Why is the corresponding scroll bar button
> > > not simply greyed out when the view has reached the corresponding
> > > end?
> >
> > I think traditionally the button doesn't grey out because developers
> > reason that the entire control should be in the same state -- either
> > the scroll bar is enabled, or it is disabled, but not half enabled and
> > half disabled.
>
> I see. Would make sense as I really can't imagine to be the first one
> with such an idea but all the UI I came across handled it in the same
> way. And I even think they may be right... Perhaps instead of greying
> the respective buttons might change the icon. To a square.
> Any other suggestions?

Sure. How's this one: don't give up so easily. I think it's a good idea, and 
in my book, the concept of the purity of the control got thrown out the 
window when somebody invented the combo-box.

I'm with Steven. I think it's more consistent, more informative, and the user 
doesn't care otherwise.

> > And while we are talking about scroll bars, can we make the minimum
> > thumb-box size to be the same as the mouse pointer? It is really a pain
> > to try to click on and drag the tiny thumb-box when you have a very
> > large list.
>
> Fully agreement in my room :) (ups, it is just me and two litte penguins
> right now, do they count? ;)

Sure, why not?

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disbar, n:
	As distinguished from some other bar.