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Subject:    Re: [kde-linux] kmail and kdewallet
From:       Jethro Tull <heavytull () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2008-12-29 13:10:47
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Does anyone know where can i get the logs of kwallet?
when i load it through a konsole session i don't get any log. kmail doesn't output \
any relevant info about getting infos from kwallet.

So this problem is quite difficult to backtrace.
anyway, it looks quite like a benign problem, i don't understand how developers could \
build such a bug and not be able to solve. it's been long i first requested for help \
for this in this mailing list.

is kmail hardcoded to call kwallet? or is there any daemon that analyzes interrupts \
and runs kwallet when kmail send a signal for infos such as passwords? it seems that \
kde has been being written for many years and developers only add code when new ideas \
come but never try to get the previous code to be more optimized and robust. when a \
bug is declared then it is not really eradicated but just hidden. as an example take \
the bug: Bug 109773: 
        
       'Get New Wallpaper' ticks wrong item.
when this bug was soved a new complain came. it is Bug 126190: 
        
       'Get New Wallpapers' blocks while downloading

in a few words the initial problem was as following:
in the "Configure Desktop" by right click on the desktop, there is a button "Get New \
Wallpaper" which launches a window listing online wallpapers that users can download \
to be directly available as wallpapers on local host. While a wallpaper was \
downloaded (about 30seconds) the list was still available so as the user checks other \
wallpapers but when the download reached the end, the currently viewed wallpaper was \
ticked instead of the one downloaded. This created a huge mess because the later \
which was ticked couldn't be downloaded anymore because it was considered as already \
downloaded by the system, while the one reall downloaded was still available to be \
downloaded. And this mis tick persisted all along the time up to the upgrade of the \
system.

Then a KDE bugger off developer solved the problem by simply blocking the list while \
a download was running. So when dowloading a wallpaper the user had to wait for the \
end to be able to see other wallpapers. As long as the download was taking long time \
this was annoying waste of time for the user, at least for me.

later a new bug has been reported: Bug 126190:
        
       'Get New Wallpapers' blocks while downloading
as stated above.

So is the mess in KDE.



> From: cannewilson@googlemail.com
> To: kde-linux@kde.org
> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:07:13 +0000
> Subject: Re: [kde-linux] kmail and kdewallet
> 
> On Monday 29 December 2008 09:11:26 Andreas Demmer wrote:
> > Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > Looking for commonalities between people that have a problem is often a
> > > good way of tracking down a cause.
> > 
> > KMail also fails to read from my kwallet though kwallet is already up and
> > running.
> > 
> > Here's what KMail tells:
> > ---
> > kmail(4746) KWallet::Wallet::openWallet: Pass a valid window to
> > KWallet::Wallet::openWallet().
> > "/usr/bin/kmail(4746)" Error in thread 3019024128 :
> > "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name
> > org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service
> > files"
> > "/usr/bin/kmail(4746)" Error in thread 3019024128 :
> > "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"
> > <unknown program name>(4743)/: Communication problem with  "kmail" , it
> > probably crashed.
> > Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not
> > receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not
> > send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply
> > timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." "
> 
> Andreas, this is way outside my comfort zone, but here are a couple of 
> thoughts.  First, it's looking for nepomukstorage.  I wouldn't have thought 
> that the kde3 kontact would be using that, so is this the new kde4 version?  
> And if so, from what source?
> 
> Second - it mentions a dbus problem.  A number of people have been hit by dbus 
> problems recently - not sure, but I think it was a kernel issue - and an 
> update had to contain a reversion.  Could this be related to your problem?
> 
> Sorry I can't give any specific help
> 
> Anne
> 

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Does anyone know where can i get the logs of kwallet?<br>when i load it through a \
konsole session i don't get any log. kmail doesn't output any relevant info about \
getting infos from kwallet.<br><br>So this problem is quite difficult to \
backtrace.<br>anyway, it looks quite like a benign problem, i don't understand how \
developers could build such a bug and not be able to solve. it's been long i first \
requested for help for this in this mailing list.<br><br>is kmail hardcoded to call \
kwallet? or is there any daemon that analyzes interrupts and runs kwallet when kmail \
send a signal for infos such as passwords?<br>it seems that kde has been being \
written for many years and developers only add code when new ideas come but never try \
to get the previous code to be more optimized and robust.<br>when a bug is declared \
then it is not really eradicated but just hidden.<br>as an example take the \
bug:<br>Bug <a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109773">109773</a>:   
       <input name="short_desc" id="short_desc" value="'Get New Wallpaper' ticks \
wrong item." type="hidden">'Get New Wallpaper' ticks wrong item.<br>when this bug was \
soved a new complain came. it is Bug <a \
href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126190">126190</a>:   
       <input name="short_desc" id="short_desc" value="'Get New Wallpapers' blocks \
while downloading" type="hidden">'Get New Wallpapers' blocks while \
downloading<br><br>in a few words the initial problem was as following:<br>in the \
"Configure Desktop" by right click on the desktop, there is a button "Get New \
Wallpaper" which launches a window listing online wallpapers that users can download \
to be directly available as wallpapers on local host.<br>While a wallpaper was \
downloaded (about 30seconds) the list was still available so as the user checks other \
wallpapers but when the download reached the end, the currently viewed wallpaper was \
ticked instead of the one downloaded. This created a huge mess because the later \
which was ticked couldn't be downloaded anymore because it was considered as already \
downloaded by the system, while the one reall downloaded was still available to be \
downloaded. And this mis tick persisted all along the time up to the upgrade of the \
system.<br><br>Then a KDE bugger off developer solved the problem by simply blocking \
the list while a download was running. So when dowloading a wallpaper the user had to \
wait for the end to be able to see other wallpapers. As long as the download was \
taking long time this was annoying waste of time for the user, at least for \
me.<br><br>later a new bug has been reported: Bug <a \
href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126190">126190</a>:  
       <input name="short_desc" id="short_desc" value="'Get New Wallpapers' blocks \
while downloading" type="hidden">'Get New Wallpapers' blocks while downloading<br>as \
stated above.<br><br>So is the mess in KDE.<br><br><br><br>&gt; From: \
cannewilson@googlemail.com<br>&gt; To: kde-linux@kde.org<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 29 Dec \
2008 11:07:13 +0000<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [kde-linux] kmail and kdewallet<br>&gt; \
<br>&gt; On Monday 29 December 2008 09:11:26 Andreas Demmer wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Anne \
Wilson wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Looking for commonalities between people that have a \
problem is often a<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; good way of tracking down a cause.<br>&gt; \
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; KMail also fails to read from my kwallet though kwallet is already \
up and<br>&gt; &gt; running.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Here's what KMail \
tells:<br>&gt; &gt; ---<br>&gt; &gt; kmail(4746) KWallet::Wallet::openWallet: Pass a \
valid window to<br>&gt; &gt; KWallet::Wallet::openWallet().<br>&gt; &gt; \
"/usr/bin/kmail(4746)" Error in thread 3019024128 :<br>&gt; &gt; \
"org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name<br>&gt; &gt; \
org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service<br>&gt; &gt; \
files"<br>&gt; &gt; "/usr/bin/kmail(4746)" Error in thread 3019024128 :<br>&gt; &gt; \
"QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"<br>&gt; &gt; &lt;unknown program \
name&gt;(4743)/: Communication problem with  "kmail" , it<br>&gt; &gt; probably \
crashed.<br>&gt; &gt; Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " \
"Did not<br>&gt; &gt; receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote \
application did not<br>&gt; &gt; send a reply, the message bus security policy \
blocked the reply, the reply<br>&gt; &gt; timeout expired, or the network connection \
was broken." "<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Andreas, this is way outside my comfort zone, but \
here are a couple of <br>&gt; thoughts.  First, it's looking for nepomukstorage.  I \
wouldn't have thought <br>&gt; that the kde3 kontact would be using that, so is this \
the new kde4 version?  <br>&gt; And if so, from what source?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Second \
- it mentions a dbus problem.  A number of people have been hit by dbus <br>&gt; \
problems recently - not sure, but I think it was a kernel issue - and an <br>&gt; \
update had to contain a reversion.  Could this be related to your problem?<br>&gt; \
<br>&gt; Sorry I can't give any specific help<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Anne<br>&gt; <br><br \
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