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Subject: Re: Availability on devices
From: Quiralta <rjquiralte () gmail ! com>
Date: 2018-09-06 17:09:27
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Hi there
The Chromebooks have two types of hardware, ARM processors and Intel. In
schools, is more likely that the arm style is used as is cheaper, but in
either case: The Chromebook is a heavy customization of a Linux (Gentoo if
not mistaken) and "locked" to the normal user, any true apps maintenance is
done automatically by the OS, thus all the apps that run on this machines
"installed" by users are Internet apps, they don't get installed at all in
the system and this makes a program like Krita unable to be used by this OS
(even if it is a intel processor).
The way Alvin suggests is by going into "developer mode" which breach the
devices warranty unfortunately, (a least in the USA) and usually schools
are advice against it in order to keep the customer service active. Even if
the school don't have a "contract", moving all these devices to a open
Linux system, would require a technical maintainer, a rare thing to see on
schools.
Thus unfortunately Miriam, I don't think there would be any option for
Krita to be able to run inside Chrome OS any time soon or even ever. (side
note: Intel chromebooks can run other Linux just fine and I have used Krita
on them many times with all the benefits/drawbaks it comes with them, yet
again the device looses its warranty/service).
RJ Quiralta
On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:42 AM Alvin Wong <alvinhochun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> From what I can find with a quick search, it seems that Project
> Crostini brings official Linux support to Chrome OS and it appears to
> be in the Dev channel and seems close to reaching the Beta channel. A
> guide on Reddit [1] mentions that the default setup runs some sort of
> Debian Stretch container, so it might probably run the Appimage or the
> Debian package. A post [2] however does mention several issues that
> will affect the usability of Krita if run under it, mainly the lack of
> hardware-accelerated graphics (canvas will be slow and lacks some
> functions) and peripheral access (can't use a pen digitizer).
>
> [1]:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/wiki/getstarted/crostini-setup-guide
> [2]:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/8l9c2a/full_containervm_docume=
ntation_available/
>
> Best Regards,
> Alvin
>
> Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org> =E6=96=BC 2018=E5=B9=B49=E6=9C=886=E6=
=97=A5=E9=80=B1=E5=9B=9B =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=884:23=E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> >
> > Hi Miriam,
> >
> > There are aready ways of running Linux applications on Chromebooks, but
> I've
> > never tested them: I've never even seen a Chromebook myself.
> >
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/08/you-can-now-run-linux-apps-on-chrome-os=
/
> > talks about that, but it mentions Wayland, which is something Krita
> doesn't
> > support either.
> >
> > Right now, I'm not aware of anyone who is trying to port Krita to
> ChromeOS
> > directly. Myself, I'm not interested in working on that because I don't
> have
> > the hardware, wouldn't know how to get started -- and I'm way too busy
> > already.
> >
> > There's only two people who work on Krita full-time, all the other work
> is
> > done by volunteers. So, things like porting Krita to ChromeOS (or
> Android or
> > iOS) really need a volunteer who has the hardware, wants to see this
> happen
> > and who likes to do the work...
> >
> > Boudewijn
> >
> > On donderdag 6 september 2018 04:17:36 CEST Miriam Voehl wrote:
> > > Hey there, my high school lent all of us students Chromebooks to use
> for
> > > schoolwork. Immediately, I went to the krita website to download your
> > > drawing program, seeing as it is the one I'm most accustomed to and
> one of
> > > the better free applications out there (especially since it has pen
> > > pressure). I truly love this program for sketching out ideas and
> working on
> > > finished pieces, and it was a bit saddening that I couldn't use this
> on my
> > > Chromebook. So I was wondering if you have already tried to make it
> > > ChromeOS compatible and it didn't work, or if you have it on the list
> of
> > > things to be done, and if neither of those things are the case. Would
> you
> > > at least consider making Krita ChromeOS compatible?
> > >
> > > Thank You For Your Time ,
> > > Miriam Voehl
> >
>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi there<div><br></div><div>The Chromebooks have two types of \
hardware, ARM processors and Intel. In schools, is more likely that the arm style is \
used as is cheaper, but in either case: The Chromebook is a heavy customization of a \
Linux (Gentoo if not mistaken) and "locked" to the normal user, any true \
apps maintenance is done automatically by the OS, thus all the apps that run on this \
machines "installed" by users are Internet apps, they don't get \
installed at all in the system and this makes a program like Krita unable to be used \
by this OS (even if it is a intel processor).</div><div><br></div><div>The way Alvin \
suggests is by going into "developer mode" which breach the devices \
warranty unfortunately, (a least in the USA) and usually schools are advice against \
it in order to keep the customer service active. Even if the school don't have a \
"contract", moving all these devices to a open Linux system, would require \
a technical maintainer, a rare thing to see on schools.</div><div><br></div><div>Thus \
unfortunately Miriam, I don't think there would be any option for Krita to be \
able to run inside Chrome OS any time soon or even ever. (side note: Intel \
chromebooks can run other Linux just fine and I have used Krita on them many times \
with all the benefits/drawbaks it comes with them, yet again the device looses its \
warranty/service).</div><div><br></div><div>RJ Quiralta</div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:42 AM Alvin Wong <<a \
href="mailto:alvinhochun@gmail.com">alvinhochun@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br> <br>
From what I can find with a quick search, it seems that Project<br>
Crostini brings official Linux support to Chrome OS and it appears to<br>
be in the Dev channel and seems close to reaching the Beta channel. A<br>
guide on Reddit [1] mentions that the default setup runs some sort of<br>
Debian Stretch container, so it might probably run the Appimage or the<br>
Debian package. A post [2] however does mention several issues that<br>
will affect the usability of Krita if run under it, mainly the lack of<br>
hardware-accelerated graphics (canvas will be slow and lacks some<br>
functions) and peripheral access (can't use a pen digitizer).<br>
<br>
[1]: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/wiki/getstarted/crostini-setup-guide" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/wiki/getstarted/crostini-setup-guide</a><br>
[2]: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/8l9c2a/full_containervm_documentation_available/" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/Crostini/comments/8l9c2a/full_containervm_documentation_available/</a><br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Alvin<br>
<br>
Boudewijn Rempt <<a href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org" \
target="_blank">boud@valdyas.org</a>> 於 2018年9月6日週四 \
下午4:23寫道：<br> ><br>
> Hi Miriam,<br>
><br>
> There are aready ways of running Linux applications on Chromebooks, but \
I've<br> > never tested them: I've never even seen a Chromebook \
myself.<br> > <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/08/you-can-now-run-linux-apps-on-chrome-os/" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/08/you-can-now-run-linux-apps-on-chrome-os/</a><br>
> talks about that, but it mentions Wayland, which is something Krita \
doesn't<br> > support either.<br>
><br>
> Right now, I'm not aware of anyone who is trying to port Krita to \
ChromeOS<br> > directly. Myself, I'm not interested in working on that because \
I don't have<br> > the hardware, wouldn't know how to get started -- and \
I'm way too busy<br> > already.<br>
><br>
> There's only two people who work on Krita full-time, all the other work \
is<br> > done by volunteers. So, things like porting Krita to ChromeOS (or Android \
or<br> > iOS) really need a volunteer who has the hardware, wants to see this \
happen<br> > and who likes to do the work...<br>
><br>
> Boudewijn<br>
><br>
> On donderdag 6 september 2018 04:17:36 CEST Miriam Voehl wrote:<br>
> > Hey there, my high school lent all of us students Chromebooks to use \
for<br> > > schoolwork. Immediately, I went to the krita website to download \
your<br> > > drawing program, seeing as it is the one I'm most accustomed \
to and one of<br> > > the better free applications out there (especially since \
it has pen<br> > > pressure). I truly love this program for sketching out ideas \
and working on<br> > > finished pieces, and it was a bit saddening that I \
couldn't use this on my<br> > > Chromebook. So I was wondering if you have \
already tried to make it<br> > > ChromeOS compatible and it didn't work, or \
if you have it on the list of<br> > > things to be done, and if neither of \
those things are the case. Would you<br> > > at least consider making Krita \
ChromeOS compatible?<br> > ><br>
> > Thank You For Your Time ,<br>
> > Miriam Voehl<br>
><br>
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